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05-14-2013, 02:32 PM
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Sour grapes much, if you guys had won it would be the best run. Bank it. Sanctions + Team that misses playoffs + Arena just over half the size of the Bud, not a good starting point. Take away the fines and the weak team from this year and sure you have a better shot even with a 6500 seat arena.

As for transparency, I'd like to see the votes for the HHoF as well to see why Pat Burns didn't get in first ballot, but hockey has never had a policy of that.
If London doesn't win the OHL next year does that mean the committee really screwed up?

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If London doesn't win the OHL next year does that mean the committee really screwed up?
If Windsor doesn't make the playoffs again, could you imagine that fallout. I think they bet on the best odds, being a casino city I'm sure you are familiar with those. No one can argue of the 3 teams London will have the strongest returning team, without having to make any moves in the off-season.

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05-14-2013, 02:55 PM
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If Windsor doesn't make the playoffs again, could you imagine that fallout. I think they bet on the best odds, being a casino city I'm sure you are familiar with those. No one can argue of the 3 teams London will have the strongest returning team, without having to make any moves in the off-season.
It's not about best odds though it's about doing it on the ice. What happens if Barrie beats Guelph for the OHL title? Did the OHL still make the right decision?

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It's not about best odds though it's about doing it on the ice. What happens if Barrie beats Guelph for the OHL title? Did the OHL still make the right decision?
But by having to select the city in advance they have to hedge bets, they can't base it on what happens on the ice. I for one believe they should pick whoever the champion is of the league the year they have it, and just delay the start of the tourney to sell tickets and setup the event. That way you are guaranteed to have 4 top teams there (finalist of host league goes as well similar to Ottawa when London won)

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That sucks. They should have a timetable (i.e. 20 yrs) before a host team can place another bid. Also, I found it odd that Bo Horvat won the MVP. Sure, he was EXCEPTIONALLY clutch this playoffs, but did that last goal give him the win? I would have thought Mark Scheifele, who finished the playoffs with 41 points in the same amount of games as Horvat, who only got 23, would get it. Call me out for this, but congrats London. I'm not going to complain that they won after the season, as they have had a heck of a year. I obviously was not cheering for them, but now that it is all over, good job.

So... Barrie get's nothing? If you are a Barrie fan, losing that way, then not being awarded the Memorial cup must hurt. I feel much worse for Barrie fans than Windsor fans, sorry. I do believe London getting the Memorial Cup was cooked, though. Branch knew that all he has to do is make London's fans happy. Barrie wins, London loses, they still get the cup.

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05-14-2013, 03:41 PM
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I don't think many fans expected Windsor to get it. I agree with Razor, this is about transparency. How and where was London's bid that much better than Windsor or Barrie? It just seems (based strictly on rumors and speculation) that the criteria to host changes when convenient. For example, when Windsor lost out to Mississauga, the rumor was because Melnyk guaranteed more money. I don't have a problem if that is the case, just publicly say that the winning bid will be whoever guarantees the most; but don't let that be the main criteria one year and then the next time it is arena capacity or team competitiveness or most Tim Horton's per capita.
I'd like more transparency as well. But I doubt we see it as it is still a selection process where it's hard to quantify every aspect of a bid and use a scoresheet of sorts. So many different angles at play. And even if was transparent I doubt it would satisfy losing teams fans and haters. They'd just disagree with the committees viewpoint. The committee have little to nothing to gain by opening it all up. Fans will still have the same issues.
Info will leak out about who offered what, no doubt. Some already has and I'm confident London's bid surpassed the other two taking potential cash outta the equation. They just did / offered more things that were better. Most professional presentation as well. I'm sure some will call BS but I'm comfortable in what I heard.

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If London doesn't win the OHL next year does that mean the committee really screwed up?
Nope it doesn't ..... Just don't show up and do another Shawi or Blades interpretation.

40% of the tickets for Mem Cup opener in Toon city are still unsold.

Next year it will be bloody expensive just to get a scalpers ducat.

Last night tics were dropping for $150 each and that is only PO game.

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05-14-2013, 03:59 PM
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It wasnt just a PO game lol. Game 7, chance at back to back and in a series that had so many people's attention. From the ups n downs to side stories it was epic.

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I'd like more transparency as well. But I doubt we see it as it is still a selection process where it's hard to quantify every aspect of a bid and use a scoresheet of sorts. So many different angles at play. And even if was transparent I doubt it would satisfy losing teams fans and haters. They'd just disagree with the committees viewpoint. The committee have little to nothing to gain by opening it all up. Fans will still have the same issues.
Info will leak out about who offered what, no doubt. Some already has and I'm confident London's bid surpassed the other two taking potential cash outta the equation. They just did / offered more things that were better. Most professional presentation as well. I'm sure some will call BS but I'm comfortable in what I heard.
I just have a problem when a lot of the same committee when London won the bid in 05 is still there when they made their bid this year. Throw in a guy from Sportsnet which is only about promoting London in the OHL you can see why there is hatred. Why did Sportsnet not show a regular season game for Portland or Plymouth? London had 9 or so games on Sportsnet this year. Windsor has had 2 regular season games at home televised since 09. So Sportsnet doesn't even help their transparency. The best is having 2 announcers like Broadhead and Cosentino act like they know anything about the other teams in the CHL because they rarely saw them this year.

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05-14-2013, 04:02 PM
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Nope it doesn't ..... Just don't show up and do another Shawi or Blades interpretation.

40% of the tickets for Mem Cup opener in Toon city are still unsold.

Next year it will be bloody expensive just to get a scalpers ducat.

Last night tics were dropping for $150 each and that is only PO game.
Who cares if 40% of the tickets are still unsold that means they have still sold 9000 seats since capacity is 15000. Why is having 9000 for a game considered a black mark?

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I for one believe they should pick whoever the champion is of the league the year they have it, and just delay the start of the tourney to sell tickets and setup the event. That way you are guaranteed to have 4 top teams there (finalist of host league goes as well similar to Ottawa when London won)
This isn't an event you can just set-up over the course of a few weeks. You can't just go "Okay, London won the title today, so...you have three weeks to get everything sorted out."

Transparency - Sure, the league has plenty to gain from doing it. What's wrong with "this was the criteria; this was what each team did for that criteria; here's how we determined the winning bid"? Why keep it secretive?

Rayzor - You mean you're not looking forward to two years of drooling over Domi and Horvat? I got sick of it with Hall and Henrique, and they were on team!!

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I just have a problem when a lot of the same committee when London won the bid in 05 is still there when they made their bid this year. Throw in a guy from Sportsnet which is only about promoting London in the OHL you can see why there is hatred. Why did Sportsnet not show a regular season game for Portland or Plymouth? London had 9 or so games on Sportsnet this year. Windsor has had 2 regular season games at home televised since 09. So Sportsnet doesn't even help their transparency. The best is having 2 announcers like Broadhead and Cosentino act like they know anything about the other teams in the CHL because they rarely saw them this year.
Halifax (#1 in the CHL for most of the season and sporting 2 of the top 3 consensus NHL picks) had ZERO regular season home games televised on Sportsnet and only had Game 1 of the Q finals televised. They also had 1 road game televised this years as well.

London had 9?

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I just have a problem when a lot of the same committee when London won the bid in 05 is still there when they made their bid this year. Throw in a guy from Sportsnet which is only about promoting London in the OHL you can see why there is hatred. Why did Sportsnet not show a regular season game for Portland or Plymouth? London had 9 or so games on Sportsnet this year. Windsor has had 2 regular season games at home televised since 09. So Sportsnet doesn't even help their transparency. The best is having 2 announcers like Broadhead and Cosentino act like they know anything about the other teams in the CHL because they rarely saw them this year.
Sportsnet cannot broadcast games outta Michigan with the unions over there and rights involved. Fox is much bigger and hold a lot of territory rights....plus Sportsnet don't gain viewers showing Michigan games into a Ontario market. Most of London's games this year where only regional broadcasts, I think they only went National twice.

Then is also comes down to paying the bills and hitting certain numbers. Without eyeballs your losing money on the broadcasts. The WHL fans wish they had a Rogers deal like OHL teams....most never see there teams on TV at all.

London obviously draw big numbers for Sportsnet so they do use their games a lot....regional though.

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London had three Fri night games on Sportsnet - two in March, one in October. That's just from what I've found in a quick Google search, too.

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I just have a problem when a lot of the same committee when London won the bid in 05 is still there when they made their bid this year. Throw in a guy from Sportsnet which is only about promoting London in the OHL you can see why there is hatred. Why did Sportsnet not show a regular season game for Portland or Plymouth? London had 9 or so games on Sportsnet this year. Windsor has had 2 regular season games at home televised since 09. So Sportsnet doesn't even help their transparency. The best is having 2 announcers like Broadhead and Cosentino act like they know anything about the other teams in the CHL because they rarely saw them this year.
Wow, 9? I must have missed a fair few.

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Well what do you think the Spits could get for DeKort? Chances are a team that wants DeKort is probably in the same boat as the Spits and wants to rebuild. Why would they give up assets for him if they want to rebuild? A contender might want to deal for him but they wouldn't give up much for him since he probably won't play much. Look at what the Spits got for Maletta, Smith, and Webermin and tell me if that is worth dealing DeKort because I don't see it.

Keeping DeKort means you have 2 more years and maybe an OA year. If you keep Kuchemy he has to be the answer as a 19 year old because if he isn't then you aren't going to bring him back as an OA and you're back searching for a goalie 1 year later.

I am curious why there's so much love for Kuchemy what is it based on? Or is this just backup QB syndrome where the backup QB is always better?
What will the Spits get for DeKort?

Not much but likely more than they would for Kuchemy.

My point is this team has tried taking shortcuts to rebuild these last couple of seasons, they are short on assets and it is time to do it right.

Unless the majority of their flyer picks decide to report they will not be a contender this season or next.

Take the oppurtunity to step back this season and do it right.

Move the pieces that will bring in the most while holdng onto the young kids and adding more.

There are expectations on DeKort, right or wrong they are there and if Windsor is put in a position of rebuilding the right way DeKort will face a ton of pressure, more than most his age will have to face.

Move him to a team like Kingston, a team ready to take the next step in their development yet still a year or two away from contending. No longer in that "starting from the bottom" mode but ready to make a solid push for a playoff spot.

Gives DeKort a chance to take the reigns with a still young team but one that has gained some experience.

Kuchemy comes in a year older with nothing to lose and everythig to gain. He would not likely be put in the scapegoat category since there are no real expectations on him which gives him a chance to thrive and see what he can do.

It is not saying that he will do a better job than DeKort, I think either one would do a similar job but DeKort would bring back more assets while Kuchemy would be under less public pressure.

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05-14-2013, 08:31 PM
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Good idea Cfaub.

Heard last weekend strathroy should not expect kuchemy back, nothing solid and know he hadn't signed as yet that's why I threw it out there earlier asking if HL or any1 heard anything

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Wow, 9? I must have missed a fair few.
Opponents
Erie
Guelph
Oshawa
Sarnia
Kitchener x2
Plymouth
Barrie

So you have 8 there.

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London had three Fri night games on Sportsnet - two in March, one in October. That's just from what I've found in a quick Google search, too.
I think they added one during the streak.

But of those Friday games OHLTG only one was National Broadcast coast to coast.

Those regional games on sportsnet are much smaller audience into southern ontario only.

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I think they added one during the streak.

But of those Friday games OHLTG only one was National Broadcast coast to coast.

Those regional games on sportsnet are much smaller audience into southern ontario only.
Not necessarily. SportsNet "One" and "Pacific" can be seen anywhere in the country.

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The OHL is a joke. Awarding a city two Memorial Cups in 4 opportunities? I guess the other cities in the league outside of maybe Ottawa, Kitchener and Missassauga are meaningless to Branch and the boys.

I'm sorry, but if Rimouski, Brandon and Shawinigan can host the Mem Cup, then any city in the O can. But no, it's just going to rotate around Branch's four golden boy cities. What a crock of crap.

I'm not even upset that Windsor wasn't awarded the Cup. All of the off ice crap made sure that wasn't going to happen, but Barrie is more than deserving. Not to mention other cities that didn't bother bidding because they know how corrupt Branchie and his lackies are. Do they just award Mem Cups to Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver in the W? No. It shouldn't be any different in the O. You're basically giving the finger to the other teams in the league and their fans. Well, right back at ya Wee Davie.

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Not necessarily. SportsNet "One" and "Pacific" can be seen anywhere in the country.
Yes OHLTG I understand that but prior to November I believe Sportsnet released a sched and I scanned thru it. There is big difference from regional to national and London looked to be only on one or 2 national broacasts...and I think that held.

Then the playoffs unfolded and they got some TV dream matchups...London, Ply ...Lon, Kit....Oshaw, Bar...Bar, Bell and so on but most where all regional broadcasts....

remember since April 4 it's almost impossible to get on the network now with the Jaya back at the plate. I was peed I didn't get to see more Dub games but bloody baseball messed it up then NHL came back too.


Nyack.....honestly most believe Barrie's 4000 seat rink is their downfall.....I have been saying since November it is their issue and London will likely win this thing by default......and they did.

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After reading on another board that Branch informed the Knights that they got the mem cup BEFORE game 7 when said he didint want it to sway one team over the other,

Id like to call out Duff and Parker of the Star and ask them to write a piece and tell the real story of this league and its politics and lay it all on the table for fans, and if the Spits look bad or lose STH so be it.The truth needs to be told here finally.

If the Star was an american paper they would have blasted this league already.

Lets get some transperency here.

So boys?????

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After reading on another board that Branch informed the Knights that they got the mem cup BEFORE game 7 when said he didint want it to sway one team over the other,

Id like to call out Duff and Parker of the Star and ask them to write a piece and tell the real story of this league and its politics and lay it all on the table for fans, and if the Spits look bad or lose STH so be it.The truth needs to be told here finally.

If the Star was an american paper they would have blasted this league already.

Lets get some transperency here.

So boys?????
This would involve people outside of Windsor reading that horrendous excuse for a newspaper, even the LFP is no better.

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Guelph
Oshawa
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Plymouth
Barrie

So you have 8 there.

I'm pretty sure the December 7th game against Niagara was aired as well.

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