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04-16-2013, 10:51 AM
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An 82 game season next year against a strong looking division (Tor, mtl, bos, ott, det, tam and fla) could result in an extremly high draft pick. Especially if Miller and Vanek are gone. Or we could be like Ottawa.

Most teams that bottom out have a year where the pick around #9 before falling to the celler. At least next years team should have some more exiting youth on it.

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An 82 game season next year against a strong looking division (Tor, mtl, bos, ott, det, tam and fla) could result in an extremly high draft pick. Especially if Miller and Vanek are gone. Or we could be like Ottawa.

Most teams that bottom out have a year where the pick around #9 before falling to the celler. At least next years team should have some more exiting youth on it.
that's the biggest thing for me... I accept everything that comes along with rebuilding (losing)... but I really want us to be an exciting young team.

I can live with the suffering that comes along with losing... as long as we aren't the despicably boring team we are right now

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04-16-2013, 11:38 AM
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Edmonton disagrees Jame!

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An 82 game season next year against a strong looking division (Tor, mtl, bos, ott, det, tam and fla) could result in an extremly high draft pick. Especially if Miller and Vanek are gone. Or we could be like Ottawa.

Most teams that bottom out have a year where the pick around #9 before falling to the celler. At least next years team should have some more exiting youth on it.
Yup. I have little doubt it will get worse before it gets better here, especially if we move Vanek and Miller in the off-season.
Heck, we probably should have a worse spot in the standings this year than we do now. There are 3 teams below us with better goal differentials, and 5 with more ROW. Plus those pesky teams that clearly have better rosters than us on paper that have just had bad luck or underachieved this year. I think the bottom will fall out in the next season or two. We'll get our high picks while our prospects that project more as role players or complementary pieces continue to develop, and then we can start looking to fill in the holes with trades or FA signings. The soonest I think Buffalo might be as high in the standings as they are now (or better) is 15-16, if we have a successful rebuild.

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04-16-2013, 12:41 PM
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I'd be perfectly happy with those picks... although, after such a miserable season, it is going to be depressing to come away with 2 "nice" prospects... while missing out on the elite 3, and even the super high end 4 and 5.... (mac, seth, drou, barkov, lindholm)
This is my position too. I could live with this season if it nets the Sabres Lindholm, Monahan, etc.

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I can live with the suffering that comes along with losing... as long as we aren't the despicably boring team we are right now.
I could live with anything the Sabres do, or do not do, in terms of playing style over the next two seasons as long as it benefits the future of the team. If this year's boring team nets them Lindholm, I'm in.

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Yup. I have little doubt it will get worse before it gets better here, especially if we move Vanek and Miller in the off-season.
I can see the Sabres icing this team next year:

Leino - Hodgson - Ennis
Ott - Grigorenko - Stafford
Foligno - Larsson - Flynn
Gerbe - Porter - Kaleta
Scott

Ehrhoff - Myers
Sekera - Pysyk
McNabb - Weber

Enroth

(Miller and Vanek trades netting mostly futures).

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I can see the Sabres icing this team next year:

Leino - Hodgson - Ennis
Ott - Grigorenko - Stafford
Foligno - Larsson - Flynn
Gerbe - Porter - Kaleta
Scott

Ehrhoff - Myers
Sekera - Pysyk
McNabb - Weber

Enroth

(Miller and Vanek trades netting mostly futures).
Something along those lines. If Larsson isn't on the team it's either blasphemous or we got the wrong prospect in the deal.

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I can see the Sabres icing this team next year:

Leino - Hodgson - Ennis
Ott - Grigorenko - Stafford
Foligno - Larsson - Flynn
Gerbe - Porter - Kaleta
Scott

Ehrhoff - Myers
Sekera - Pysyk
McNabb - Weber

Enroth

(Miller and Vanek trades netting mostly futures).
I'd hope Vanek and/or Miller could not at least one or two young, near-roster ready players that'd be full-times by next season.

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I'd hope Vanek and/or Miller could not at least one or two young, near-roster ready players that'd be full-times by next season.
Me too. I'm setting my sights low and hoping to be surprised.

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Rochester is going to be a fun team to watch the next few years with all the kids that could potentially be going there.

Johan Larsson will most definetly be on the Sabres next season, whether that is opening day or a month into the season. He is almost ready today.

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04-16-2013, 01:24 PM
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Edmonton disagrees Jame!
Edmonton forgot that you need to draft defensemen too...lol.

Young and exciting so long as the puck is up the ice.

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I can see the Sabres icing this team next year:

Leino - Hodgson - Ennis
Ott - Grigorenko - Stafford
Foligno - Larsson - Flynn
Gerbe - Porter - Kaleta
Scott

Ehrhoff - Myers
Sekera - Pysyk
McNabb - Weber

Enroth

(Miller and Vanek trades netting mostly futures).
You forgot to include the player(s) we get back for Vanek and Miller.
I don't think both get dumped entirely for futures. We need some capable guys to plug in and play, or an NHL-ready prospect or two. Imagine trading Vanek and only ending up with a bunch of busts coming back?

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You forgot to include the player(s) we get back for Vanek and Miller.
I don't think both get dumped entirely for futures. We need some capable guys to plug in and play, or an NHL-ready prospect or two. Imagine trading Vanek and only ending up with a bunch of busts coming back?
I can completely imagine that!

I'd personally rather work toward 2016 at the expense of 2013-2014. If that means next year is epically bad, than I can accept that. But you're right; futures that bust derail that type of plan.

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The problem is if you don't surround your youth and thrust them into roles to early they will likely not develop like they should, you can't just feed your young guys to the wolves as they will get eaten. I imagine Darcy surrounds this young talent with 3-4 vets with leadership, guys like Briere, Gordon and a couple others.

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I can completely imagine that!

I'd personally rather work toward 2016 at the expense of 2013-2014. If that means next year is epically bad, than I can accept that. But you're right; futures that bust derail that type of plan.
I'm not saying we should be looking to bring in real vets here. Just trying to get at least an NHL-ready prospect or a roster player young enough to be a part of the rebuild (maybe no older than 25 or so) as part of the return. It would be a disaster if we ultimately lost Vanek for little to nothing. I just want a sure bet or two vs only draft picks and teenagers with no pro experience.

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The problem is if you don't surround your youth and thrust them into roles to early they will likely not develop like they should, you can't just feed your young guys to the wolves as they will get eaten. I imagine Darcy surrounds this young talent with 3-4 vets with leadership, guys like Briere, Gordon and a couple others.
Agree. I'd look to bring in Briere or Jagr.

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I'm not saying we should be looking to bring in real vets here. Just trying to get at least an NHL-ready prospect or a roster player young enough to be a part of the rebuild (maybe no older than 25 or so) as part of the return. It would be a disaster if we ultimately lost Vanek for little to nothing. I just want a sure bet or two vs only draft picks and teenagers with no pro experience.
I'd hope for a sure bet too, but I wouldn't expect it.

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Hopefully Larsson pans out, I've always wanted to get a jersey with a Swede on it.

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Just completed - the most in depth mock draft on the planet up at THW. Okay, well maybe not on the planet. Heck, maybe not even in North America. But...it is pretty in depth...and it is pretty awesome from Sabres vantage point.

Some story lines:
- Sabres land blueliner with a rifle, and American forward with a will to win.
- Flames draft 2 kids born in Calgary plus an offensive dynamo
- Habs draft prospect from la belle province
- Oilers nab another Russian
- Leafs draft son of enforcer
- So do Jets!
- Sens get an ice warrior
- Avs brings a big blueliner back home! (not that much of a shock).
- Devils cash in on Grigorenko situation take 2.
- Caps refurbish their Swedish prospect ranks

Link: http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...april-edition/

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Just completed - the most in depth mock draft on the planet up at THW. Okay, well maybe not on the planet. Heck, maybe not even in North America. But...it is pretty in depth...and it is pretty awesome from Sabres vantage point.

Some story lines:
- Sabres land blueliner with a rifle, and American forward with a will to win.
- Flames draft 2 kids born in Calgary plus an offensive dynamo
- Habs draft prospect from la belle province
- Oilers nab another Russian
- Leafs draft son of enforcer
- So do Jets!
- Sens get an ice warrior
- Avs brings a big blueliner back home! (not that much of a shock).
- Devils cash in on Grigorenko situation take 2.
- Caps refurbish their Swedish prospect ranks

Link: http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...april-edition/
We've been appreciating your work for a few pages

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Just completed - the most in depth mock draft on the planet up at THW. Okay, well maybe not on the planet. Heck, maybe not even in North America. But...it is pretty in depth...and it is pretty awesome from Sabres vantage point.

Some story lines:
- Sabres land blueliner with a rifle, and American forward with a will to win.

Link: http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...april-edition/
I could live with Pulock and Compher. Actually, I would really like that - either Compher or Hartman.

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The problem is if you don't surround your youth and thrust them into roles to early they will likely not develop like they should, you can't just feed your young guys to the wolves as they will get eaten. I imagine Darcy surrounds this young talent with 3-4 vets with leadership, guys like Briere, Gordon and a couple others.
We've seen that some in Edmonton. Justin Schultz was great in the AHL this season, but has taken a decent step back in the NHL. The way the Edmonton D is constructed the team is not capable of starting him out with sheltered minutes.

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You forgot to include the player(s) we get back for Vanek and Miller.
I don't think both get dumped entirely for futures. We need some capable guys to plug in and play, or an NHL-ready prospect or two. Imagine trading Vanek and only ending up with a bunch of busts coming back?
I agree that trades after the season won't be entirely for futures.

At the trade deadline teams are willing to give up draft picks (vs. roster players).
After the season ends teams are less willing to give up draft picks, but will most likely need to include roster players for salary cap management.

I could see DR making some interesting roster moves with the players teams make available to get under the cap (through trade or buyouts).

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I can completely imagine that!

I'd personally rather work toward 2016 at the expense of 2013-2014. If that means next year is epically bad, than I can accept that. But you're right; futures that bust derail that type of plan.
I could see next season going a few different ways:

1. Epically bad. DR not able to trade Stafford, Vanek, Miller and their attitude/play drags the team down. In this case the season is sacrificed to get proper trade value for these player at next year's trade deadline.

2. Good. Vanek and Miller are not traded, but have great seasons in their contract year.

3. Surprisingly good. Miller and Stafford are traded this summer and the "kids" play an inspired, exciting and hard working brand of hockey.

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