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04-30-2013, 10:35 AM
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Regier might be able to do both if he sequences things right.

1.) Make Buffalo's first round pick in 2013 ( includes staying at 8, packaging picks to move up)

2.) Trade Miller - signals the full on tear down and rebuild is underway. Also indicated 2014 draft choice might be real high.

3.) Package Vanek and 2014 first rounder for player (Kane, etc.).

The risk obviously is with the 2014 pick.
Way too risky, IMO. That's just begging to be the next Kessel deal, where we get a good player but end up giving up one who could easily be better (plus Vanek).

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04-30-2013, 10:44 AM
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What about Vanek to the Jackets for one of their 1st's and Ryan Murray? Gives them a better player than they will get at 14 who can help get them to the playoffs, gives us a very good D prospect and a late 1st

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04-30-2013, 10:46 AM
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What about Vanek to the Jackets for one of their 1st's and Ryan Murray? Gives them a better player than they will get at 14 who can help get them to the playoffs, gives us a very good D prospect and a late 1st
Ryan Murray was a 2012 2nd over all pick, and a 1st rounder? Murray value is so high.

Not even remotely close, I don't think we have an asset that could get Murray

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04-30-2013, 11:00 AM
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1. Col - Seth Jones
2. Fla - Jonathan Drouin
3. Tam - Nate Mackinnon
4. Nas - Aleksander Barkov
5. Car - Rasmus Ristolainen
6. Cal - Elias Lindholm
7. Edm - Darnell Nurse
8. Buf - ?

I like Monahan... :shug:

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04-30-2013, 11:05 AM
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Tampa might not be as unwilling to deal as you think. They've got pieces in place right now, and I think with a home run offer they'd probably listen.
would this get Tampa to listen?

To
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Stafford
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2013 1st Minnesota

To
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Malone


Miller is an upgrade in goal, Stafford and Malone is an even swap where we take on cap hit.... then flip enroth or lindback or hackett for a 2nd to a goalie needy team so you would have a top 3 pick, 3 seconds to try and trade back into the first or 3 second round selections in a deep draft.

thoughts??

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04-30-2013, 11:09 AM
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would this get Tampa to listen?

To
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2013 1st Minnesota

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Malone


Miller is an upgrade in goal, Stafford and Malone is an even swap where we take on cap hit.... then flip enroth or lindback or hackett for a 2nd to a goalie needy team so you would have a top 3 pick, 3 seconds to try and trade back into the first or 3 second round selections in a deep draft.

thoughts??
Tampa has Lindback, Bishop, and Vasilevski in the pipe.... they have no reason to move out of the top 3 for 1 year of Ryan Miller...

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04-30-2013, 11:33 AM
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Tampa need D. I think it starts with Myers+ if you are looking at Drouin or Mackinnon with the 3rd pick.

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04-30-2013, 11:36 AM
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I like the idea of swapping picks with Carolina to move up to #5. It makes a lot of sense if the Canes are dead-set on picking defense, as at least one of Nurse, Ristolainen, or even Zadorov (who is climbing on some charts) will still be available.

I'm a little wary of what the "plus" would be in addition to the 8th pick, but I doubt Darcy would overpay

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04-30-2013, 11:39 AM
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Tampa has Lindback, Bishop, and Vasilevski in the pipe.... they have no reason to move out of the top 3 for 1 year of Ryan Miller...
Switch Miller for sekera and drop lindback ?

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04-30-2013, 11:44 AM
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I'm starting to really like the idea of getting Shinkaruk with #8. Elite offensive skill is a dire need for this team moving forward and fairly good d-man could be acquired with #16.

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04-30-2013, 11:58 AM
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Can we just fast forward to the draft?

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04-30-2013, 12:02 PM
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Shinkaruk is another who was a few days from being draftable last year. A year older (almost) than other draftees this year but still quite a bit smaller--and he did not score like Rychel, Mantha, Domi and only matched a few others of his peers who are available in production. The love must be because he is a little guy with wheels--if he had 50 plus goals as a close to overager I might see it....

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04-30-2013, 12:02 PM
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I'm starting to really like the idea of getting Shinkaruk with #8. Elite offensive skill is a dire need for this team moving forward and fairly good d-man could be acquired with #16.
Shinkaruk would be a nice pick if Monahan is already drafted. He looks like a lock to be a top 6 forward. I'd be fine with any of the defenseman who are likely to be available as well. I don't get this contingent of fans who want to move up in this draft. There's plenty of talent in this draft and the sabres should get a good player at 8. Keep the picks and re-stock the pipeline.

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04-30-2013, 12:04 PM
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I like taking high risk high reward players. Sure some will bust, but without some elite talent, this team will never go anywhere. You have to take chances that you're going to get an elite player. The next tier down: your Vaneks, Pominvilles, etc. won't get the job done. You gotta take the chance that there's a Malkin, or a P.Kane, etc. out there...which means either getting a really high draft pick, or taking high risk players and hoping that at least one or two of them realize their potential.
I think a couple of people missed your point - I totally agree with what you are saying.

While the likes of Vanek/JP etc. are very good players, they are not consistant game changers whereas the likes of Malkin and Kane are.

Forget where they are drafted - its obvious guys that are picked 1st or 2nd have a bigger chance at becoming this kind of player, but its not impossible for others to do so.

And of the bunch we're likely choosing from, Nichuskhin is the only guy with this potential IMO. Its obviously a risk, but as enough people have said, its a risk that is probably worth taking.


As regards to moving up - I just don't see it happening. However, I would tear this team apart if it meant getting picks 2 & 3 for MacKinnon and Drouin. Nothing is untouchable. Never happening though.

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04-30-2013, 12:13 PM
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Shinkaruk is another who was a few days from being draftable last year. A year older (almost) than other draftees this year but still quite a bit smaller--and he did not score like Rychel, Mantha, Domi and only matched a few others of his peers who are available in production. The love must be because he is a little guy with wheels--if he had 50 plus goals as a close to overager I might see it....
He had 49 goals last year. He just had a down year offensively. If he followed a 49 goal season with a 50 + goal season this year he likely gets taken in the first 7 picks and the sabres have no shot at taking him.

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04-30-2013, 12:19 PM
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1. Col - Seth Jones
2. Fla - Jonathan Drouin
3. Tam - Nate Mackinnon
4. Nas - Aleksander Barkov
5. Car - Rasmus Ristolainen
6. Cal - Elias Lindholm
7. Edm - Darnell Nurse
8. Buf - ?

I like Monahan... :shug:
Getting Monahan would make it worth standing pat and keeping #8 and #16 (I'd like Pulock).

Miller is the most likely to be traded on draft day, but I doubt teams ahead of Buffalo will give up that pick for a goalie. Carolina might move down for #8 and a d-man, but who would Car and Buf agree on? Sekera, Pysyk, and McNabb seem like possibilities. If it's Myers then Car has to add.

I wonder if Calgary would consider a basic framework of #6 for Myers.

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What's everyone's opinion on Domi? Is he as good offensively as his stats say and is he a pest like his dad? If he is then do you think he will be there when the Sabres pick with their second 1st rd pick?

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04-30-2013, 12:28 PM
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Monahan or Nituschkin

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04-30-2013, 12:30 PM
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Tampa need D. I think it starts with Myers+ if you are looking at Drouin or Mackinnon with the 3rd pick.
The question there is would Myers+ be enough given the big contract and bad season that Tyler had?

Plus, there are cap issues with Tampa. I don't see them trading that pick when they could get Drouin as the long term replacement for St-Louis.

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04-30-2013, 12:32 PM
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What's everyone's opinion on Domi? Is he as good offensively as his stats say and is he a pest like his dad? If he is then do you think he will be there when the Sabres pick with their second 1st rd pick?
I'd be interested in him with our later 1st, though I think there will be a lot of good options there. He's not a big guy, but everything I've read about him indicates that he's a tenacious forechecker with a ton of lower body strength and good speed.

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What's everyone's opinion on Domi? Is he as good offensively as his stats say and is he a pest like his dad? If he is then do you think he will be there when the Sabres pick with their second 1st rd pick?
He's on my radar for the Sabres' second pick. He's not at all like Tie. He's hard working, but he's not at all a pest or enforcer. Max is pretty much all talent and offensive ability, something the Sabres could use.

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Getting Monahan would make it worth standing pat and keeping #8 and #16 (I'd like Pulock).

Miller is the most likely to be traded on draft day, but I doubt teams ahead of Buffalo will give up that pick for a goalie. Carolina might move down for #8 and a d-man, but who would Car and Buf agree on? Sekera, Pysyk, and McNabb seem like possibilities. If it's Myers then Car has to add.

I wonder if Calgary would consider a basic framework of #6 for Myers.
I really can't see too many scenarios where teams would move out of the top 5.

Colorado will not trade the 1st, 0% chance and unless its a stupid offer I doubt Florida trade the 2nd - they will surely take one of Mac/Drouin.

The highest pick I could conceivably see being available is 3rd, and if they have a need for D then maybe Myers (++) is some sort of starting point ?

Really not sure on Nashville, don't think they move it TBH.

If they want D, then maybe Carolina would move out of 5th, but I'm sure they would want 8th plus something fairly substantial.

Flames have already stated they will not move 6th.

Edmonton may look at moving 7th, but who would need to be left on the board and what scenario would need to play out to include something of value to move up just one spot ?

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04-30-2013, 01:07 PM
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Is the upside / potential of Valeri Nichushkin so great that picking him at #8 offsets the non-zero possibility he never leaves Russia?

I just don't see that to be true. I think you take the safer pick with someone whom you "know" (barring injury, accident, etc.) will play in the NHL. If there was a significant talent dropoff before BUF's pick, then I'd support that strategy, but among the others draftees who may be available, e.g., Monahan, Shinkaruk, Domi, Lindholm, etc., are they all significantly worse than V. Nichushkin???

BUF wouldn't trade with Edmonton unless it's a Myers-draft-day-like deal: EDM list their pick, BUF lists theirs. iI they are the same name, BUF gives a player/pick to EDM to swap spots.

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Is the upside / potential of Valeri Nichushkin so great that picking him at #8 offsets the non-zero possibility he never leaves Russia?

I just don't see that to be true. I think you take the safer pick with someone whom you "know" (barring injury, accident, etc.) will play in the NHL. If there was a significant talent dropoff before BUF's pick, then I'd support that strategy, but among the others draftees who may be available, e.g., Monahan, Shinkaruk, Domi, Lindholm, etc., are they all significantly worse???
No, which is why I don't really want him. I don't think him leaving Russia will really be a major problem, but it's a consideration when you're talking about a top 10 pick. He's towards the bottom of my board for players I'd like at 8.

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He's on my radar for the Sabres' second pick. He's not at all like Tie. He's hard working, but he's not at all a pest or enforcer. Max is pretty much all talent and offensive ability, something the Sabres could use.
Plus it would drive Torontonians nuts and sometimes it is the little things is life.

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