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05-01-2013, 10:53 AM
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Yeah I legitimately wanted opinions. First proposal. I didn't want to be the guy that severely under-payed but I also feel like that might be a bit to give up. But it IS Mackinnon or Jones... Idk.
You're right, it's Mac or Jones. Neither of which are expected to be the next Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin or Gretzky.


I don't think ANY team will move out of the top 3. I think it's highly unlikely the 4 or 5 pick will get moved either. If anything, the 6 or 7 pick has a slim but possible chance of moving. And for that, I wouldn't give up several players and picks.

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05-01-2013, 10:58 AM
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Reports out of Nashville were that Poile has been contacted about the #4 overall.
Darcy is good at trying (and failing). Let's see if he can get it done. Poile has every right to ask for the moon. Nashville has nobody remotely close to as good as Barkov in their system. Really have to hope Poile falls in love with someone like Shinkaruk or Horvat, and really wants back in the 2nd round (38th) else I don't see why he does it, unless we are also throwing him a prospect or roster player.

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05-01-2013, 11:03 AM
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You got figure, no team is going to move from the top 3, theoretically with out getting like, a top 5 pick back. I think Darcy has to trade up to get like, the 4th overall or something by moving Vanek/Miller/Myers/WHOEVER, then an even bigger trade with all of our high picks plus a good young prospect to get top 3.

Maybe Vanek (We eat half his salary) + Buffalo 1st (8th Overall)
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Nashville 1st (4th overall) + Josi/Blum/Ellis

Then:
Nashville 1st (4th overall) + Our (2) Second Rounders + Tyler Ennis
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Florida 1st (2nd Overall) (Hopefully MacKinnon)

So effectively we'd be trading Vanek, Ennis, Our 1st, and our 2 seconds for Josi and MAckinnon. Hopefully we could retain the Minnesota pick as well. That's the most reasonable way I could see anything like that happening. And still gives both teams we're trading with plenty of reason to do it. Vanek at half salary is a crazy good value, and they still get one of the "Top 8" (Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan, Nurse * Nichuskin) with our pick. Florida gets a 50-60 point center with room to grow, a blue-chip top prospect (Barkov) who might have gone 1st overall int he last two drafts, and extra picks in the 2nd round to keep the prospect pool growing or to trade back into the 1st round with.

Would you do it? How far off is this?
Why would NSH give up 1 of Josi/Ellis/Blum for just 1 year of Vanek? AND move back in the draft? Even if BUF ate salary.

They have 3 promising D-men who will be on RFA qualifiers / affordable ELCs. They'd be dealing from a strength, but for just 1 year of Vanek, AND to trade down, seem like too much 1-sided in BUF's favor.

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05-01-2013, 11:44 AM
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DR stated on HH today that he is attempting to move up in the draft and that he had a conversation with another team yesterday.
I think it was Nashville... someone yesterday that Poile mentioned he had already received calls.

Edit: Nevermind Chain already mentioned it.

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05-01-2013, 11:48 AM
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Why would NSH give up 1 of Josi/Ellis/Blum for just 1 year of Vanek? AND move back in the draft? Even if BUF ate salary.

They have 3 promising D-men who will be on RFA qualifiers / affordable ELCs. They'd be dealing from a strength, but for just 1 year of Vanek, AND to trade down, seem like too much 1-sided in BUF's favor.
DR could allow Nashville to talk to TV to work out a contract extension or a sign and trade!?

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05-01-2013, 11:55 AM
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DR could allow Nashville to talk to TV to work out a contract extension or a sign and trade!?
yea, Im sure Vanek would love to play in Nashville for the rest of his career... a nice tight defensive system, with a small market budget.... a team that fights and claws for a playoff spot.... im sure he'll pass up free agency and offers from teams like Detroit.

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yea, Im sure Vanek would love to play in Nashville for the rest of his career... a nice tight defensive system, with a small market budget.... a team that fights and claws for a playoff spot.... im sure he'll pass up free agency and offers from teams like Detroit.

Maybe yes...maybe no.

50/50 shot.

Something worth exploring. Worst case is he says no...and you look at different options.

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05-01-2013, 12:20 PM
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Maybe yes...maybe no.

50/50 shot.

Something worth exploring. Worst case is he says no...and you look at different options.


not really

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05-01-2013, 12:53 PM
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In fairness, Nashville has averaged 101 pts/season over the three years preceding this one. Obviously, that was with Suter on the team, but Poile could try to sell Vanek that he replaces Suter in their core and Josi and Ekholm are two of the better young defensemen out there. And it's the same offensive system where Patric Hornqvist averaged 26 goals/season over the last three years, so there are goals to be had. Also, given the frequency with which Vanek has stated that he feels the Sabres always have a chance with Miller in net, he'd have an even better goaltender in Nashville with Rinne, who is signed long-term.

I'm not saying he'd re-sign with the Preds, but I don't think it's a slam dunk that he wouldn't.

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05-01-2013, 02:36 PM
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These type of deals won't happen. May as well speculate what it would take to get both 2nd and 3rd picks.

Not to say Vanek's value is low, but I just don't see it. Personally, I'd move Vanek for anything above what we got back for JP - and Miller for less.

Its time to reshape this team.

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05-01-2013, 02:54 PM
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You got figure, no team is going to move from the top 3, theoretically with out getting like, a top 5 pick back. I think Darcy has to trade up to get like, the 4th overall or something by moving Vanek/Miller/Myers/WHOEVER, then an even bigger trade with all of our high picks plus a good young prospect to get top 3.

Maybe Vanek (We eat half his salary) + Buffalo 1st (8th Overall)
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Nashville 1st (4th overall) + Josi/Blum/Ellis

Then:
Nashville 1st (4th overall) + Our (2) Second Rounders + Tyler Ennis
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Florida 1st (2nd Overall) (Hopefully MacKinnon)

So effectively we'd be trading Vanek, Ennis, Our 1st, and our 2 seconds for Josi and MAckinnon. Hopefully we could retain the Minnesota pick as well. That's the most reasonable way I could see anything like that happening. And still gives both teams we're trading with plenty of reason to do it. Vanek at half salary is a crazy good value, and they still get one of the "Top 8" (Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan, Nurse * Nichuskin) with our pick. Florida gets a 50-60 point center with room to grow, a blue-chip top prospect (Barkov) who might have gone 1st overall int he last two drafts, and extra picks in the 2nd round to keep the prospect pool growing or to trade back into the 1st round with.

Would you do it? How far off is this?
If it worked out that way, I'd just stay at #4 and take Barkov. The first trade I do without any hesitation whatsoever, but the second one is too much to give up to go from Barkov to MacKinnon. Barkov would give this team exactly what it needs, so there'd be no real reason to keep moving once you're at #4.

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05-01-2013, 04:12 PM
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If the Sabres stay put at 8, the only player of the top-6 (excluding Nichushkin for a moment) that I see slipping to the Sabres is Lindholm. Carolina and Calgary are the lynchpins, IMO. Assuming the top-4 are gone when they're up, we really want the Canes to draft either Nichushkin or one of the defensemen (Ristolainen, Nurse, Zadorov). If they do, then we'll want Calgary to go with Monahan, because I just don't see Edmonton drafting Lindholm and taking on another player of that stature (sub-6'0'', a bit light), elite skill notwithstanding, especially with a fairly big need at defense. I can see the Oilers picking Monahan, if available, as their "tough minutes" center of the future to play behind RNH.

If Carolina grabs Monahan or Lindholm, I think Calgary will just grab the other, and Edmonton will have to choose between one of the defensemen or Nichushkin. That's the worst-case scenario.

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05-01-2013, 06:13 PM
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yea, Im sure Vanek would love to play in Nashville for the rest of his career... a nice tight defensive system, with a small market budget.... a team that fights and claws for a playoff spot.... im sure he'll pass up free agency and offers from teams like Detroit.
Vanek was perfectly fine with the idea of playing in Edmonton for seven years of his career. I don't think it will take too much convincing to get him to sign long-term in Nashville, especially with all the young talent they have there.

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05-01-2013, 06:28 PM
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Craig Button has Buffalo taking Valeri Nichushkin at #8 in his mock

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Question. where does the 155 pick come from? Obviously it's conditional. But we did make a trade with Nashville that I dont know about?

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Question. where does the 155 pick come from? Obviously it's conditional. But we did make a trade with Nashville that I dont know about?
It should be 146 (as of right now).

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Vanek was perfectly fine with the idea of playing in Edmonton for seven years of his career. I don't think it will take too much convincing to get him to sign long-term in Nashville, especially with all the young talent they have there.
And now he's 50mil richer and 7 years older... Not to mention Edmonton was recently in a cup final back then

Bad comparison

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BUF draft pick deals

Your thoughts on such a move...I know it would be complicated:

Buffalo wants to get up to #4 but NAS may not want to drop too far.

STEP 1 deal MIN #1(16) to NYR (owned by CBS)/SJ/TOR for their #1 (19-21) + 2nd/3rd

STEP 2 with Calgary:

TO BUF: #6 + STL 1st (23)
TO CGY #8 + NYR/SJ/TOR 1st (19-21)

STEP 3 with Nashville

TO BUF: NAS #4 +
TO NAS: BUF #6 + future considerations


with that future considerations....normally it would be a 2nd round pick

This would involve a separate deal for Stafford or Vanek. any picks they get would be 2014 picks.

A deal with Vanek would have to wait until after July 1st when contract talks could happen.

to NAS: Stafford
to BUF: future considerations + young player/2014 2nd round (conditional first if playoffs are made) + BUf would eat $1-$2M insalary.

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An alternate option would be

TO NAS: BUF #1 (8) + Stafford
TO BUF: NAS #1 (4) + young player + conditional 2014 pick(could moved to higher rounds based on Stafford production and NAS making the playoffs)+ BUF eats park of Staffors contract.

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Doesn't change the fact that Nashville's future is a lot brighter than Detroit's at the moment. Honestly, for a player reaching FA looking to sign with a team that isn't undergoing a rebuild and will be competitive moving forward, Nashville makes just as much sense as Detroit as a potential signing destination...probably more.

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Other posters are proposing draft ideas here.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...397363&page=34

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The problem with that is you'd need to deal the #16 before the draft begins, and nobody's going to drop down in the draft before it starts.

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Doesn't change the fact that Nashville's future is a lot brighter than Detroit's at the moment. Honestly, for a player reaching FA looking to sign with a team that isn't undergoing a rebuild and will be competitive moving forward, Nashville makes just as much sense as Detroit as a potential signing destination...probably more.
Except Detroit has Datsyuk and Zetterberg, two of the best players in the world. You'd have to be pretty crazy to not want to play on a line with them, which Vanek presumably would, plus powerplays. Nashville on the other hand has...uh...hmm...

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Better hope Datsyuk doesn't take the rumored trip back to Russia

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Except Detroit has Datsyuk and Zetterberg, two of the best players in the world. You'd have to be pretty crazy to not want to play on a line with them, which Vanek presumably would, plus powerplays. Nashville on the other hand has...uh...hmm...
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Hmmmm hard decision

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Why Vanek won't/will go to Nashville, ya thats something that should take up a page in the draft thread

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