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04-09-2013, 12:28 AM
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Hawks shockingly better road record this year

The Hawks' record is obviously great by any standard. Even the optimists didn’t predict there would be so much improvement from last year with only a few roster changes. From a team perspective we can point to better play in goal (huge), better D depth, vastly improved PK, Leddy and Saad, Kane having a new breakout season, etc. But coming at it from a different perspective, the Hawks are better this year because they have dramatically improved their play on the road.

The 2013 team is on pace for 65 pts/41 games and +34 goals at home, only a little better than the 2012 team that had 60 pts and +30 goals. But look at the road records! The 2013 team is on a (remarkable) pace for 69 pts/41 games and +65 goals compared to last year’s dismal 41 pts and -16 goals.

2013 vs. 2012 at 82 game rate: Home +5 pts/+4 goals, Road +28 pts/+81 goals.

Home ice advantage isn’t what it used to be, but being able to win on the road is usually a good sign for the playoffs.

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just look at Toews +/- at home and at the road. Huge difference

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27 of Kane's 46 points have been on the road as well

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just look at Toews +/- at home and at the road. Huge difference
Toews home/road splits are crazy, but it would hard to find a player that doesn't have better road stats this year.

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Didn't they stay in hotels in Chicago during the cup run?

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yes, even at home games they stayed together in hotels

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Kind of ironic with how well they're playing on the road that they'll have home ice for most of the playoffs

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The Hawks have been a great road team for a few years now so this isn't surprising. Especially when in most sports players say it's easier to play on the road. You usually have a very strict and set schedule and since your on the road there is nothing else going on but your sport.

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I can't believe the Hawks are doing so well this year with Toews being the 7th best player on the team.

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The Hawks have been a great road team for a few years now so this isn't surprising. Especially when in most sports players say it's easier to play on the road. You usually have a very strict and set schedule and since your on the road there is nothing else going on but your sport.
Did you read the OP? They weren't very good on the road last year (Only collected half the available points and had a negative goals for/against) and I would venture a guess that they weren't very good in 2010-11 either.

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Did you read the OP? They weren't very good on the road last year (Only collected half the available points and had a negative goals for/against) and I would venture a guess that they weren't very good in 2010-11 either.
In 10-11 they actually lost more regulation games at home then on the road. Last year was the only year since 07-08 year that they had a largely different road vs home record.

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I've always felt that home ice advantage isn't that big of a deal, especially come playoff time. It's certainly marginal compared to other sports.

No idea if the numbers line up with that notion.

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I've always felt that home ice advantage isn't that big of a deal, especially come playoff time. It's certainly marginal compared to other sports.

No idea if the numbers line up with that notion.
They do. Home field only matters when a team has something about their home that is very different then any other area. Denver always has a big advantage because of the thin air, things of that nature. Plain of simple home field, court, ice, etc. isn't relevant.

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I know that going into your known and YOUR lockerroom is a help. Won't make or break your season

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They do. Home field only matters when a team has something about their home that is very different then any other area. Denver always has a big advantage because of the thin air, things of that nature. Plain of simple home field, court, ice, etc. isn't relevant.
Um, no. If you disagree, go make your millions in Vegas betting the money line on road teams (though that was a good bet in the NFL for a while before the 3pt rule came down to ~2.5.) Vegas gives significant odds to the home team in every sport.

But it's easy to just run the numbers. Last year in the NHL, NBA, NFL and MLB, only a handful of the 122 teams had a better record on the road (and collectively those 7 or so teams had around the same net negative home wins as Miami Heat's net positive home wins so far this year) In the NHL, home ice over the last five years that I skimmed is typically ~10 pts per team (e.g. an "average" team would get ~51 pts home, ~41 road.)

Home advantage is very real and very persistent. Does it matter in the shortened NHL playoffs scenario? A little, but there are so many other factors that can overwhelm it in the shorter time period.

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Part of the difference could be explained by going from a team that religiously chased matchups to one that basically just rolls their lines.

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I happy that Q just rolls the lines and doesn't care about matchups... I really am

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I hope they can play like home or away doesn't matter in a few weeks.

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I've always felt that home ice advantage isn't that big of a deal, especially come playoff time. It's certainly marginal compared to other sports.

No idea if the numbers line up with that notion.
It really is interesting in hockey since you would think that it should help more considering you can match lines and etc.

But I think last year, or the year before, the road teams had better records in the postseason. Always thought that was kinda odd.

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