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04-09-2013, 02:28 PM
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Jhonas Enroth Thread - What do the Sabres do?

I looked through a couple pages on this board and couldn't find a thread about Enroth and Buffalo's goaltending situation.

So, there were trade deadline rumors about Miller. Turned out not to be true.
Now, there's rumors going around Miller's being shipped during the offseason.

What does Buffalo do with Jhonas? Would he be the starter? Would Leggio take the job?
These last few times Enroth has started haven't been too bad. Overall he has been decent. Doesn't have too many wins in his career here.


I'm a fan of Jhonas and wouldn't mind seeing him be a #1 guy. Thoughts?

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I looked through a couple pages on this board and couldn't find a thread about Enroth and Buffalo's goaltending situation.

So, there were trade deadline rumors about Miller. Turned out not to be true.
Now, there's rumors going around Miller's being shipped during the offseason.

What does Buffalo do with Jhonas? Would he be the starter? Would Leggio take the job?
These last few times Enroth has started haven't been too bad. Overall he has been decent. Doesn't have too many wins in his career here.


I'm a fan of Jhonas and wouldn't mind seeing him be a #1 guy. Thoughts?
He would likely need to share the duties with a vet again. I still don't think he's responsible enough to handle 50+ games, but he could prove me wrong.

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If he isn't the one moved then:

Share duties with vet to be named later.

Start, backed up Leggio/Hackett

Fight it out with Leggio/Hackett

Bring back Mika Noronen and have a real GC.

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I say ship Miller in the offseason for a King's ransom, and give Enroth the #1 job. I would also sign a less coveted vet to play as a backup, who can reliably start 20-30 games in a season. Idk how Hackett works into all of this. Idk how ready he is for the big time.

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I say ship Miller in the offseason for a King's ransom, and give Enroth the #1 job. I would also sign a less coveted vet to play as a backup, who can reliably start 20-30 games in a season. Idk how Hackett works into all of this. Idk how ready he is for the big time.
Most reports Ive read say he's close, if not already set, to be at least a backup competing for a starting job.

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I looked through a couple pages on this board and couldn't find a thread about Enroth and Buffalo's goaltending situation.

So, there were trade deadline rumors about Miller. Turned out not to be true.
Now, there's rumors going around Miller's being shipped during the offseason.

What does Buffalo do with Jhonas? Would he be the starter? Would Leggio take the job?
These last few times Enroth has started haven't been too bad. Overall he has been decent. Doesn't have too many wins in his career here.


I'm a fan of Jhonas and wouldn't mind seeing him be a #1 guy. Thoughts?
Not sure what the bolded means, but for the purposes of this thread, I don't think it matters.

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He would likely need to share the duties with a vet again. I still don't think he's responsible enough to handle 50+ games, but he could prove me wrong.
Or ~50/50 platoon with Hackett or other.

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If A.he isn't the one moved then:

B. Share duties with Miller.

C. Share duties with vet to be named later.

D. Start, backed up Leggio/Hackett

E. Fight it out with Leggio/Hackett

Bring back Mika Noronen and have a real GC.
I added/bolded a couple other scenarios to round out all options. I believe Enroth needs to be assessed in context of all goalies in the Sabres system:

The following are under contract for next season. I have seen none of them play:

Knapp
Lieuwen
Makarov

Makarov should be old enough to play in AHL next year (correct me if I'm wrong), so I expect him in Rochester, along with Lieuwen, with Knapp remaining in ECHL to start season.

I expect Hackett will be retained, given BUF just acquired him. I can't see flipping him in an offseason / draft deal, unless he's used as a sweetner to get someone to take Stafford (e.g.).

Is Hackett waiver eligible or not? I suspect he has >60 NHL appearances, correct, making him waiver ineligible?

Leggio is UFA. I understand he's had a solid year. But not clear to me BUF retains him, especially if they just picked up Hackett. Unless one of Miller/Enroth is moved in offseason, and Leggio retained for system depth. If neither are moved, I would think Leggio wants a chance with a club who has a pending UFA goalie this offseason.

Hackett and Enroth are both RFA. I expect both to be qualified, and at least one of them (my preference Hackett) offered a 2-3 year deal to extend them until BUF knows more what Makarov's trajectory is.

Hackett signing seems to suggest Miller will be out, either in offseason or before trade deadline, either at BUF's choosing, or Miller's choosing.

I think Enroth is in BUF's plan only as long as they need him (#1) to ascertain what a future Hackett / Makarov duo looks like. That could mean he's moved now, or plays another couple years in BUF (e.g., platooning with Hackett).

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When Hackett was brought in one of my first thoughts was to wonder if Enroth is thinking about heading back to Sweden, did that occur to anyone else? (aside, Hackett will still be waiver-exempt next year, correct?)


My opinion is to qualify him and see how arbitration shakes out. I'm of the opinion that Miller won't be a part of this team next year and, if that's the case, let Enroth, Hackett and Leggio or a Leggio-like goaltender figure out who gets the NHL minutes.

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At this point he's barely backup worthy, let alone a starter. I think they let Hackett and Enroth battle it out in camp for backup duty.

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I looked through a couple pages on this board and couldn't find a thread about Enroth and Buffalo's goaltending situation.

So, there were trade deadline rumors about Miller. Turned out not to be true.
Now, there's rumors going around Miller's being shipped during the offseason.

What does Buffalo do with Jhonas? Would he be the starter? Would Leggio take the job?
These last few times Enroth has started haven't been too bad. Overall he has been decent. Doesn't have too many wins in his career here.


I'm a fan of Jhonas and wouldn't mind seeing him be a #1 guy. Thoughts?


If they trade Miller and :


in return they get a goalie (Halak, Hiller, Crawford, Niemi) then I see Enroth getting traded---likely team would be the Kings who will probably be offering Bernier at the draft for picks/prospects so they need a backup that would be cheap.

In return they DO NOT get a goalie--Enroth stays and competes with Hackett for the job. In 14/15 Makarov after a year in Rochester likely makes the team.


If Miller is not traded and they plan on holding him until the next deadline:

Enroth get traded as part of a trade up. I could see a deal where its Enroth + LA's 2 2nd round picks for LA's 1st round in 2014.

Any deadline trade of Miller would retun a goalie. Personally I think its difficult to move a goalie at the deadline. I could see a deal happeneing mid season because injuries come up. I see miller moved at the draft.

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The following are under contract for next season. I have seen none of them play:

Knapp
Lieuwen
Makarov

Makarov should be old enough to play in AHL next year (correct me if I'm wrong), so I expect him in Rochester, along with Lieuwen, with Knapp remaining in ECHL to start season.

I expect Hackett will be retained, given BUF just acquired him. I can't see flipping him in an offseason / draft deal, unless he's used as a sweetner to get someone to take Stafford (e.g.).

Is Hackett waiver eligible or not? I suspect he has >60 NHL appearances, correct, making him waiver ineligible?
Hackett can still move freely because of his age and number of games played. the only NHL games he played were last season during an injury.


they want Makarov to be the primary starter at Rochester next year. He is AHL eligible next year. They are not expecting him to play with the Sabres.

A big factor in play here is if Miller is moved do they get a veteran goalie back who still has 1 or 2 yrs on their contract (Hiller, Halak, Crawford, Niemi)

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I wouldn't be surprised to see Enroth not even offered a contract this off season.

JMO, but I could see the Sabres trading Miller, letting Enroth go, signing a cheap UFA and bringing up Hackett.

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At this point he's barely backup worthy, let alone a starter.
What?

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What?
For me ... A handful of good games, doesn't erase two handfuls of bad games he's had since backing up Miller. You disagree? That's fine. You won't change my mind


If (after several games, not just 4 or 5) he ever breaks even in the W/L column, I'll change my opinion. I'd like to see Hackett and Enroth battle for backup duty in camp.

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For me ... A handful of good games, doesn't erase two handfuls of bad games he's had since backing up Miller. You disagree? That's fine. You won't change my mind


If (after several games, not just 4 or 5) he ever breaks even in the W/L column, I'll change my opinion. I'd like to see Hackett and Enroth battle for backup duty in camp.
Losses don't signify a bad game. Statistically he's far from the worst backup in the league over the past two years. I won't argue he's starter quality, because that's optimistic and speculative on my part, but to say he barely qualifies as a backup is simply off base.

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Losses don't signify a bad game. Statistically he's far from the worst backup in the league over the past two years. I won't argue he's starter quality, because that's optimistic and speculative on my part, but to say he barely qualifies as a backup is simply off base.
Off your base ... Fine

It's on my base



No insults, no snarky comments, no belittling. Difference of opinion.

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It's on my base



No insults, no snarky comments, no belittling. Difference of opinion.
Everyone is entitled their opinion, but how do you support it?

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Everyone is entitled their opinion, but how do you support it?
Laying out paragraphs in an attempt to persuade like some like to do is not something I'm interested in doing. My opinion stands on it's own for me. If your looking for support to justify my opinion, you'll be disappointed. I don't have the time or desire to dig into and pour over stats for 3 hours just so anyone can be persuaded to agree with me. I couldn't care less

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If Enroth is the starter next year, they've got a leg up on the 2014 tank job.

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Step 1. Trade Miller, and Vanek for a kings ransom

Step 2. Make Enroth your starting goalie

Step 3. ....

Step 4. Draft Sam Reinhardt

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I don't think Enroth is brought back next year.

And I am more than fine with that.

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I don't think Enroth is brought back next year.

And I am more than fine with that.
Keep in mind he's restricted.

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Not sure what the bolded means, but for the purposes of this thread, I don't think it matters.


Or ~50/50 platoon with Hackett or other.



I added/bolded a couple other scenarios to round out all options. I believe Enroth needs to be assessed in context of all goalies in the Sabres system:

The following are under contract for next season. I have seen none of them play:

Knapp
Lieuwen
Makarov



Makarov should be old enough to play in AHL next year (correct me if I'm wrong), so I expect him in Rochester, along with Lieuwen, with Knapp remaining in ECHL to start season.

I expect Hackett will be retained, given BUF just acquired him. I can't see flipping him in an offseason / draft deal, unless he's used as a sweetner to get someone to take Stafford (e.g.).

Is Hackett waiver eligible or not? I suspect he has >60 NHL appearances, correct, making him waiver ineligible?

Leggio is UFA. I understand he's had a solid year. But not clear to me BUF retains him, especially if they just picked up Hackett. Unless one of Miller/Enroth is moved in offseason, and Leggio retained for system depth. If neither are moved, I would think Leggio wants a chance with a club who has a pending UFA goalie this offseason.

Hackett and Enroth are both RFA. I expect both to be qualified, and at least one of them (my preference Hackett) offered a 2-3 year deal to extend them until BUF knows more what Makarov's trajectory is.

Hackett signing seems to suggest Miller will be out, either in offseason or before trade deadline, either at BUF's choosing, or Miller's choosing.

I think Enroth is in BUF's plan only as long as they need him (#1) to ascertain what a future Hackett / Makarov duo looks like. That could mean he's moved now, or plays another couple years in BUF (e.g., platooning with Hackett).
The point of this thread is that Miller has come up in lots of trade rumors and I truly think he's going this summer.
There hasn't been a discussion that I've seen on these boards about what the Sabres do with Enroth IF Miller packs his bags and heads to a Cup-contender.

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I say ship Miller in the offseason for a King's ransom
"A king's ransom" is the problem: Miller is practically paid a king's ransom as a goalie at a time when many teams will not do that...and don't need to.

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I'm not sure he'll sustain his play over the long haul, especially as teams really focus on him.

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Trade off Miller in the offseason and give him a shot at the starting job with Hackett next year. I reckon there is a good chance one of them will take the reigns, provided it's handled correctly.

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"A king's ransom" is the problem: Miller is practically paid a king's ransom as a goalie at a time when many teams will not do that...and don't need to.



I'm not sure he'll sustain his play over the long haul, especially as teams really focus on him.
Except Miller's salary is right in line with the rest of the top starters in the league:
http://www.sportscity.com/nhl-salari...es/2012/11/17/

And he only has one more year left at that rate. It's a very manageable contract unlike Luongo's (who will be lucky to get moved for a bag of pucks at this point).

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