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04-09-2013, 11:10 PM
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Random player inquiry thread

Maybe having a thread to inquire about players who we don't remember or who played before our time would be nice. How good they were, their faults, if they're under/overrated, etc.

Obviously I'd recommend reading up on hockey legends and the ATD for info on them but some people here who saw them can also help.

Anyways, I'd love to know a bit more about these players if anyone remembers:
Don Luce
Robert Picard
Mark Nappier
Troy Murray
Lorne Henning

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Mark Napier I grew up playing against as a kid in the MTHL (Metro Toronto Hockey League) and in Junior. The guy could fly, was big, not at all afraid to mix it up & play it however you wanted and had one Hell of a shot. Accurate & heavy. As a Goalie, challenging & fun, but painful. He had a shot that would literally tear your trapper right off your hand if not properly cinched, warping slapshots like a pitchers curveball. He one year in Jr. I believe scored close to 70 goals so ya as a kid, quite the Phenom. Won a Memorial Cup with the Marlies in 75 then at the age of 19 signed with the WHA Toronto Toro's as an underage. Moved to Birmingham Al when the franchise left Ontario where he continued to play for another 2 seasons as part of what was then called the Baby Bull's, as the Birmingham franchise contained a number of underage still eligible to play Junior players (as did Indianapolis)... He joined the Montreal Canadiens who had Drafted him in 77 & held his rights, signing I believe in 78/79. His goal & assist production dropped considerably from his previous 3 seasons in the WHA as was the case with most, however, he took off in his 2nd, 3rd+ seasons with the Habs, netting a couple of 40G years, a steady & useful player, Power Right Winger & Utility Man on the PP & PK at times. I didnt really follow hockey a lot in the 80's, out of country for much of that decade, but Im sure others can wade in on Napier. I think he played for something like 5 or 6 NHL teams before a season in Europe & retirement in the early 90's, moving on to Coaching with St.Mikes in Toronto when they re-entered a team in Major Junior... Oh, and your other players as well? Some interesting guys there. Luce & Picard in particular.

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Mark Napier I grew up playing against as a kid in the MTHL (Metro Toronto Hockey League) and in Junior. The guy could fly, was big, not at all afraid to mix it up & play it however you wanted and had one Hell of a shot. Accurate & heavy. As a Goalie, challenging & fun, but painful. He had a shot that would literally tear your trapper right off your hand if not properly cinched, warping slapshots like a pitchers curveball. He one year in Jr. I believe scored close to 70 goals so ya as a kid, quite the Phenom. Won a Memorial Cup with the Marlies in 75 then at the age of 19 signed with the WHA Toronto Toro's as an underage. Moved to Birmingham Al when the franchise left Ontario where he continued to play for another 2 seasons as part of what was then called the Baby Bull's, as the Birmingham franchise contained a number of underage still eligible to play Junior players (as did Indianapolis)... He joined the Montreal Canadiens who had Drafted him in 77 & held his rights, signing I believe in 78/79. His goal & assist production dropped considerably from his previous 3 seasons in the WHA as was the case with most, however, he took off in his 2nd, 3rd+ seasons with the Habs, netting a couple of 40G years, a steady & useful player, Power Right Winger & Utility Man on the PP & PK at times. I didnt really follow hockey a lot in the 80's, out of country for much of that decade, but Im sure others can wade in on Napier. I think he played for something like 5 or 6 NHL teams before a season in Europe & retirement in the early 90's, moving on to Coaching with St.Mikes in Toronto when they re-entered a team in Major Junior... Oh, and your other players as well? Some interesting guys there. Luce & Picard in particular.
Also infamously known as the guy Pollock liked instead of listening to Ruel about Bossy. Yeah, real good skater, some nifty moves and a great shot. I didn't think he was all that big, but I assume your meaning built, because he wasn't that tall. Was he like the Bionic Blueberry, Mario Tremblay, in a short and compact like body structure?

Robert Picard was famously known for saying he'd rather sell pizzas in Montreal than play hockey in Washington. But he did play in Washington and I believe ended up playing in Montreal for a short stint. I think he was a guy with a lot of potential and expectations and never lived up to them.

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Also infamously known as the guy Pollock liked instead of listening to Ruel about Bossy. Yeah, real good skater, some nifty moves and a great shot. I didn't think he was all that big, but I assume your meaning built, because he wasn't that tall.
As I recall he was one of those kids who had early growth spurts, at like age 11 & 12 almost his full adult height (but gangly), shooting up past everyone else early. By Junior of course everyone had caught up or passed him but he'd still had a bit of a head start on most. Also played "big" though not overly large himself, tall nor bulky, but positionally, in being aggressive & fast (Bure' another guy who played "Big" with his speed, positioning, though Napier obviously not as fast as Pavel) seemed larger. By todays standards however, "small" at a mere 5'10"'s.

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Side note on Picard: traded for the 3rd rounder that became Patrick Roy.

Offensively talented and looked really good with the Caps early in his career. I think he played with team NHL in the Russian superseries in 79. People thought he was going to be a star. Things fell apart rather quickly and in the end, he pretty much regarded as a Marc Andre Bergeron type.

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Also infamously known as the guy Pollock liked instead of listening to Ruel about Bossy.
IMO Bossy has a completely different career path if he's drafted by the Habs. Best thing that ever happened to him was Pollack not taking Ruel's advice. He'd have joined a team deep on the right side with Lafleur and Cournoyer. In addition, even thought the Habs were an incredible team, they would not have been able to provide him the Center/Dman combo of Potvin/Trots to get him the puck. Also, I think Bossy considers the WHA route if he's drafted by the Habs just like Napier did. I certainly don't see 9 straight 50 goal seasons for him.

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IMO Bossy has a completely different career path if he's drafted by the Habs. Best thing that ever happened to him was Pollack not taking Ruel's advice. He'd have joined a team deep on the right side with Lafleur and Cournoyer. In addition, even thought the Habs were an incredible team, they would not have been able to provide him the Center/Dman combo of Potvin/Trots to get him the puck. Also, I think Bossy considers the WHA route if he's drafted by the Habs just like Napier did. I certainly don't see 9 straight 50 goal seasons for him.
Perhaps they move Lafleur back to center (again) and put him with Bossy? I could see that getting scary.

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Lorne Henning - 4th-liner defensive specialist and penalty killer. Spent his whole NHL tenure with the early Islanders, first year up thru the second Cup. Not sure why his career was over at 28.

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Perhaps they move Lafleur back to center (again) and put him with Bossy? I could see that getting scary.
I see close to zero percent chance of that happening.

I think he would have been brought along slowly, just like most Habs prospects in the 70's. Nobody, even Lafleur, had a position on the top lines handed to them, especially a guy that was not considered an elite prospect when drafted like Bossy.

Bossy went to the right team, with the perfect coach and situation for him. Unlike Arbour, Bowman would not have given Bossy the rope he was given in New York. Arbour knew he could make a player out of Bossy and he pushed Torrey to pick him. Best thing that ever happened to him was the Habs passing on him and letting him slip to the Isles.


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Lorne Henning - 4th-liner defensive specialist and penalty killer. Spent his whole NHL tenure with the early Islanders, first year up thru the second Cup. Not sure why his career was over at 28.
Nor do I. Became a playing Assistant Coach to Coach to Arbour, retired, wound up Coaching the North Stars, AHL as well as I believe. Shares the record for most shorthanded goals in the playoffs at 3.

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Were Ken Wregget and Kjell Samuelsson any good?

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I can find info about Pat Quinn as a coach but not as a player...does anyone have anything? The stats don't show much since he was a dman i the 70s.

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Ken Wregget
http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/wregget.html

I recall Wregget as a 1B goaltender who had the ability to step in for short periods of time as a solid starter.

The stats seem to bear that out; over the course of his career, he was 67 goals below average in the regular season, and 183 goals better than replacement level. He had a nice five-year run with the Penguins in the 1990s (and his first full season in Philadelphia was his best single year).

He seemed to step it up in the playoffs (22 goals above average, 49 goals above replacement). His 1996 run to the conference finals was great, although he struggled in game one against Florida and was never seen on the ice again that spring. He was in net for the great 2-1 four-overtime Petr Nedved game against Washington.

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I can find info about Pat Quinn as a coach but not as a player...does anyone have anything? The stats don't show much since he was a dman i the 70s.
I think he's best known for his hit on Orr that led to one of his many knee injuries.

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I recall Wregget as a 1B goaltender who had the ability to step in for short periods of time as a solid starter.
Ya thats about right. "1B". I remember him well in Toronto. Could be a bit inconsistent but generally pretty solid, good-excellent technically. Was having marital & relationship problems at that time, head not exactly together. A definite Achilles Heel when playing the positions like 95% mental. The trade to Pittsburgh helpful however... problems lingered.

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I think he's best known for his hit on Orr that led to one of his many knee injuries.
... basically a Hard Rock. Would've made an excellent Bruin playing the majority
of his games on a smaller surface. Stay at home Defenceman. Tough guy. Policeman.

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Another thing about Robert Picard. His 15 minutes of fame lasted all of a 8 or so minutes. In game 5 of the 1982 Adams Division Semi-final, with the score 2-1 for Quebec late in the 3rd period, Montreal wins a faceoff deep in the Quebec end. Picard shoots a floater that a screened Bouchard never sees and ties the game. The game goes into overtime and Quebec scores a fluke goal 22 seconds in. If Montreal wins that game, it may have breathed new life into Picard's career.

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Were Ken Wregget and Kjell Samuelsson any good?
Big Kjell was a decent defenseman not as good as Ulf (not related) but could fill any void in your bottom-4 pairings. He was big and mean but wasn't particularly dirty. Typically used as a physical element on that back end to block shot, move players, clear the crease and so on.

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Don Sweeney from the Bruins seems like an interesting dman who is probably underrated.

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Don Sweeney from the Bruins seems like an interesting dman who is probably underrated.
Ray Bourque has always said that Don Sweeney was his favorite defense partner.

He was a triumph of will over physical blessings. Only 185 pounds, but an excellent skater with a ridiculous ability to remain upright after colliding with much bigger opponents.

Sweeney and Bourque are the only defenseman to play over 1,000 games in a Boston uniform. For some Bruin's fans he became a convenient whipping boy when Boston became horrible in the mid 1990s.

Yeah, it's the 185 pound Harvard depth defenseman that caused Boston to fail.

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Anyone remember a 90s dman named Gord Murphy? Seems like he was good but I doubt many saw as he was in Florida during his peak.

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Anyone remember a 90s dman named Gord Murphy? Seems like he was good but I doubt many saw as he was in Florida during his peak.
Gord Murphy was an average defenseman. Solid but usually a bottom pairing defenseman used on the secondary pk. Hard worker and from what I've heard and read a good precence in the locker room. In Florida he also had PP time which gave a bit of a boost in the points department.

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