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04-12-2013, 01:18 AM
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Where as Galiardi just looks drunk out there at times. Always looks like he's about to fall flat on his face.
Hes got crazy legs and looks like a crash test dummy.

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04-12-2013, 01:40 AM
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Very good game tonight. I was pleased with the effort out there. Always nice to get a shorty, the PK was good again tonight despite the goal they gave up. Couture with a beautiful backhander, Nemo was excellent.

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04-12-2013, 01:52 AM
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Missed the game again . How did we play?

Sounds like Niemi, Couture and Marleau had good games.

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04-12-2013, 01:55 AM
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Missed the game again . How did we play?

Sounds like Niemi, Couture and Marleau had good games.
Pretty good, 2nd period was a joke. They had a really good 1st and a decent 3rd. Patty and Couture were good on offense, Burns was everywhere. Niemi was huge tonight.

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04-12-2013, 02:21 AM
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With the top-6 depth issues I am really kind of worried they may jump the gun and rush Nieto into the lineup for the playoffs and burn a year off his ELC. Just seems like a DW 'all in' kind of move.
Firstly, Nieto's ELC doesn't start til next season. In an attempt to avoid burning a year just to have him play a dozen mostly meaningless games in Worcester, he's on an ATO right now.

Secondly, Nieto isn't the caliber of player who's contract you worry about burning a year off of. If he plays well enough to warrant a significant raise, then we should be celebrating. It's the top-end guys like Toews and Kane and Hall, for example, who you need to be careful with, because they'll command >$6M on their second contracts. Nieto will (assuming all goes well) need just a moderate raise at the end of his ELC.

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04-12-2013, 02:21 AM
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I think the success Burns has had at forward is getting everyone a little carried away with converting other guys.

Burns is a rare exception, most guys fail miserably transitioning back and forth, regardless of what direction.
Plenty of players do it.

It is very difficult to be trained as a forward, then to play D. But the opposite is not that difficult.

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04-12-2013, 02:23 AM
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I'm really more worried about simply rushing him into the NHL and stunting his development, but the ELC thing would kind of suck too. Be fun to see a high end prospect on the Sharks again, but I really hope they just let him develop the right way and leave him in Worcester. I could see them though, on one of the last few games pre-playoffs, giving him that 1 game ATO 210 mentioned just to see where he's at just in case.
From my understanding, you'll have to temper your expectations. Hertl is barely high-end....

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04-12-2013, 02:42 AM
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Plenty of players do it.
Plenty of bottom pairing defenseman who end up just being 4th line grinders (Scott, Vandermeer). Tennyson would definitely not be a Top-6 forward, or even a Top-9 forward. He's too raw and his skill-set isn't anything extraordinary. And the Sharks don't need anymore bottom-6 players, especially with Sheppard/Gomez being alternating scratches.

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Plenty of players do it.

It is very difficult to be trained as a forward, then to play D. But the opposite is not that difficult.
At the NHL level, this is simply not true. Outside of Burns, the only people that do it are guys that are borderline NHL players like Davison who move up because they're not good enough at defense and become a 4th line forward then are eventually out of the league because they simply weren't good enough. The assumption that converting to forward from defense as not being difficult at the NHL level is simply false.

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04-12-2013, 09:01 AM
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From my understanding, you'll have to temper your expectations. Hertl is barely high-end....
any prospect in the sharks system that might have 2nd line skill is high end at this point

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Firstly, Nieto's ELC doesn't start til next season. In an attempt to avoid burning a year just to have him play a dozen mostly meaningless games in Worcester, he's on an ATO right now.

Secondly, Nieto isn't the caliber of player who's contract you worry about burning a year off of. If he plays well enough to warrant a significant raise, then we should be celebrating. It's the top-end guys like Toews and Kane and Hall, for example, who you need to be careful with, because they'll command >$6M on their second contracts. Nieto will (assuming all goes well) need just a moderate raise at the end of his ELC.
You are pretty much repeating what I said. I know he's on an ATO, I said that. Also, I said, I'm more concerned about stunting his development (as someone mentioned, ending up with a Goc situation) but burning a year of his ELC is also kind of pointless.

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any prospect in the sharks system that might have 2nd line skill is high end at this point
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From my understanding, you'll have to temper your expectations. Hertl is barely high-end....
High-end and Blue Chip are different. Both guys have top-6 talent so I consider them a high-end prospect. If Coyle qualified as a blue chip, than Hertl is pretty close too. He's not a Couture, but there is a range.

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You are pretty much repeating what I said. I know he's on an ATO, I said that. Also, I said, I'm more concerned about stunting his development (as someone mentioned, ending up with a Goc situation) but burning a year of his ELC is also kind of pointless.
Goc just wasnt that good.

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04-12-2013, 11:27 AM
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Goc just wasnt that good.
Those 5 playoff games didn't really stunt/hurt his development either. It was moreso the Sharks having both Thornton and Marleau as the Top-6 centers (so he was made into a defensive 3C).

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04-12-2013, 12:28 PM
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Yeah, not a big supporter of the "stunting growth" belief.

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Yeah, not a big supporter of the "stunting growth" belief.
WOR is where offense goes to die

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Yeah, not a big supporter of the "stunting growth" belief.
Nor I. If Nieto were put in the NHL, he would receive sheltered minutes.

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I thoroughly enjoyed Howard smashing his stick in the tunnel after the SO loss.
Someone please gif that or upload a video lol

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Brent Burns has been a god amongst mere mortal men since his transition to forward. Even ignoring his offensive stats, he is playing very strong defensively, using his size and strength to pin forwards against the boards in our defensive zone so our dmen can gain possession. He is playing like a true powerforward in the offensive zone as well. Loving this guy's game right now.

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04-12-2013, 02:15 PM
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Brent Burns has been a god amongst mere mortal men since his transition to forward. Even ignoring his offensive stats, he is playing very strong defensively, using his size and strength to pin forwards against the boards in our defensive zone so our dmen can gain possession. He is playing like a true powerforward in the offensive zone as well. Loving this guy's game right now.
Hes a sasquatch on the ice.

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Hes a sasquatch on the ice.
He's a Sasquatch period.

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Brent Burns has been a god amongst mere mortal men since his transition to forward. Even ignoring his offensive stats, he is playing very strong defensively, using his size and strength to pin forwards against the boards in our defensive zone so our dmen can gain possession. He is playing like a true powerforward in the offensive zone as well. Loving this guy's game right now.
Ya and then most Sharks fans want him back on D next year...
I think he should stay put at PF1..4Ever

I would rather take my chances on our youngsters the next 2-3 years, than move Burns back.The potential(Demers,Braun,Tennyyson,Acolatse,Abeltsha user) paired with Vets(Start,Vlasic,Boyle?) is what needs to happen imo. If things pa out we have some nice pices going forward..Good trade bait.

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I think we'll have to see what kind of impact he has in the playoffs to decide where he has more value. On paper it's defense but man, he's so great at forward.

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Let's just make Burns a rover. Two forwards, Rover, Two defensemen.

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I hate to bring this up every time there is a Burns @ forward vs Burns @ defense debate, but why constrain ourselves and stick with one? Why not leverage that flexibility when looking at potential trades and signings? Go with whichever makes you the better team.

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I hate to bring this up every time there is a Burns @ forward vs Burns @ defense debate, but why constrain ourselves and stick with one? Why not leverage that flexibility when looking at potential trades and signings? Go with whichever makes you the better team.
Whatever you do with him, just don't make him team barber.

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