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Detroit Re-Signs Jimmy Howard [6 year/$5.3 M per]

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04-16-2013, 07:05 PM
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If Holland let everyone walk for not accepting less, we'd have nobody left on our team.
Holland either overpays or let's players walk for nothing. Flippula is about to walk for nothing. Unfortunately the Wings need him for the eventual first round exit that is awaiting them, assuming they even make it in.

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04-16-2013, 07:08 PM
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Holland either overpays or let's players walk for nothing. Flippula is about to walk for nothing. Unfortunately the Wings need him for the eventual first round exit that is awaiting them, assuming they even make it in.
What goalie out there do you think we should get that is even half as good as Howard? There's no guarantee we could get a good one in free agency, in a trade, or that Mrazek is anywhere near ready yet. Howard is probably our best option for the next 5 years at being competitive at all.

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Good for Howard, good cap hit

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What goalie out there do you think we should get that is even half as good as Howard? There's no guarantee we could get a good one in free agency, in a trade, or that Mrazek is anywhere near ready yet. Howard is probably our best option for the next 5 years at being competitive at all.
Any stop gap will do. The difference between an average goalie and a good goalie isn't that far apart. It only matters when you have an elite goalie where you can tell the difference and even then.........Wings should have stuck to their guns and not paid him that kind of money.

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Any stop gap will do. The difference between an average goalie and a good goalie isn't that far apart. It only matters when you have an elite goalie where you can tell the difference and even then.........Wings should have stuck to their guns and not paid him that kind of money.
Do you really think the extra .8 will come back to haunt us more than having Gustavsson or some other scrub as our goalie for the next 3 years or so?

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04-16-2013, 07:20 PM
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Any stop gap will do. The difference between an average goalie and a good goalie isn't that far apart. It only matters when you have an elite goalie where you can tell the difference and even then.........Wings should have stuck to their guns and not paid him that kind of money.
That's what is surprising about this contract. Wings have always been smart with the way they allocated salary to the goalie position.

Holland likely panicked here and really screwed the pooch with this deal that, imo, will only look worse as time goes on. Average to just a notch above average goalie, big term and contract = untradeable.

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04-16-2013, 07:21 PM
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Do you really think the extra .8 will come back to haunt us more than having Gustavsson or some other scrub as our goalie for the next 3 years or so?
I think Howard playing all six years will haunt the Wings. He is never going to be moved by Ken Holland even if Mrazek looks legit.

The guy is overly attached to home grown talent.

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04-16-2013, 07:24 PM
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deal with what? Detroit committing a huge part of their salary cap to a goalie no better than MA Fleury?
Uhh, Howard has been statistically better than Fleury in three of the last four seasons.

On top of that, Fleury's cap hit is only $300K less than Howard's... And was signed when the cap was $7.7M lower...

So maybe people could stop pretending that prices aren't going to go up as the cap does? Howard gets less proportionally than Fleury, and puts up better numbers. And don't even start the "But Howard's defense" garbage because he's continuing to do it this year despite the fact that Detroit's defense utterly blows.

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Terrible. Mike Smith is happy, though. Overjoyed, I'm sure.
With the rumblings that he's looking for $7 million x 8 years, I'm sure he'll be happy either way.

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If Holland let everyone walk for not accepting less, we'd have nobody left on our team.
Which would get Holland fired, which is what that poster ultimately wants.

And the thing about stop gaps: no one knows for sure that Mrazek will become as good as Howard or better.

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With the rumblings that he's looking for $7 million x 8 years, I'm sure he'll be happy either way.
Whoever is foolish enough to give him that much is gonna be pissed off when they find out he's not that good.

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Which would get Holland fired, which is what that poster ultimately wants.

And the thing about stop gaps: no one knows for sure that Mrazek will become as good as Howard or better.
Exactly, But there's NO REASON for a six year deal.

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Howards numbers sucked this year until Detroit went into a defensive shell.

Now Howard's numbers are good, but the Wings can't score goals and are actually worse off than they were earlier this year.

Lots of Wings fans spewing BS about Howard being great... clearly don't even understand why Howards' numbers are what they are

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04-16-2013, 10:41 PM
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Howards numbers sucked this year until Detroit went into a defensive shell.

Now Howard's numbers are good, but the Wings can't score goals and are actually worse off than they were earlier this year.

Lots of Wings fans spewing BS about Howard being great... clearly don't even understand why Howards' numbers are what they are
So you are trying to tell everyone that he has not keep them in games this year? or every year he has played for that matter?
he is the biggest reason this team even stands a chance at the playoffs this year!
But any way don't really like the length of it, but what can ya do? the goalie here ANY GOALIE will be the scape goat no matter what!
Even when the player cant score more than 2 goals a game, it's Jimmy's fault " because the players are trying to play a better defensive game to cover for the goalie" . No they have just flat out sucked this year sorry!

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I think Howard has elevated his game to a very high level. I think this is fair across the board and Detroit needed to keep him.

Good stuff, if you ask me.

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Uhh, Howard has been statistically better than Fleury in three of the last four seasons.

On top of that, Fleury's cap hit is only $300K less than Howard's... And was signed when the cap was $7.7M lower...

So maybe people could stop pretending that prices aren't going to go up as the cap does? Howard gets less proportionally than Fleury, and puts up better numbers. And don't even start the "But Howard's defense" garbage because he's continuing to do it this year despite the fact that Detroit's defense utterly blows.
Howard and Fleury both became full-time starters at age 25, and have both posted comparable save percentages since (Fleury @ .914, Howard @ .917). And good lord do Detroit fans overreact about the "defense utterly blows" thing. Only ten teams in the league allow fewer shots per game than Detroit. They aren't a bad defense by any stretch of the imagination.

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04-16-2013, 11:47 PM
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What goalie out there do you think we should get that is even half as good as Howard? There's no guarantee we could get a good one in free agency, in a trade, or that Mrazek is anywhere near ready yet. Howard is probably our best option for the next 5 years at being competitive at all.
But hey the Wings will sign that stop goaltender until Mrazek is ready... So after 21 years of making the playoffs the Wings have pick in the top 5 two years in a row.

Also to everyone saying Mrazek is ready, Mrazek is ready, have a look at his stats the past little while, he's not played very well. He needs at least another 2 years before he can handle the 60-70 game workload. I'd have no problem giving him 2/3 years in the AHL, Backup for a year or 2, then Howard 1A, Mrazek 1B.

We won the cup with that method so we know it works, we just need 1 of them to get hot and with 2 #1s the odds are doubled.

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Howard and Fleury both became full-time starters at age 25, and have both posted comparable save percentages since (Fleury @ .914, Howard @ .917). And good lord do Detroit fans overreact about the "defense utterly blows" thing. Only ten teams in the league allow fewer shots per game than Detroit. They aren't a bad defense by any stretch of the imagination.
It's not the shots that matter it's the quality of shots and boy do they give up quite a few. I could watch a Wings team of old allow 35 shots but only give up 4 or 5 scoring chances, this year the other team has at least that every single night but with 20-25 shots a game.

Howard is our 2nd most important player, you could argue most important, Datsyuk takes 1st place. Unless you watch the Wings play you don't realize that it's Howard making the D look good, not the other way around. He'll have his poor games/stretches like anybody but I don't see anyone attacking Price who is making 1.2M more and they have pretty much the same career numbers.

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It's not the shots that matter it's the quality of shots
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Howards numbers sucked this year until Detroit went into a defensive shell.

Now Howard's numbers are good, but the Wings can't score goals and are actually worse off than they were earlier this year.

Lots of Wings fans spewing BS about Howard being great... clearly don't even understand why Howards' numbers are what they are
Yeah man his numbers totally sucked. That .917 career sv% is really quite bad. Or how that in 3 of his 4 years in the NHL he's had above a .920 sv%, but you're right he's never had good numbers until this year.

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So one blogger made a post about quality of shots being pointless...? I can go and do the same thing just preaching how important they are.

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Is Howard worth that much? Debatable, if you ask me, but it is not ludicrous or anything.

What I find more shocking in DET spending any money at all for a goalie. They have been one of the most frugal at that position for years. It's a culture shift for them.

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