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05-05-2013, 12:26 PM
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Finland: Goaltending, energy and teamplay. Dont really have any superstars.
Sweden: Skilled, very good skaters, great defensibly. not so physical.
Russia: Great skaters, skill, and again skaters. Sometimes they can be too selfish.
Canada: Big, skilled, physical. Sometimes take dumb penalties and heat up too much.
Czechs: Great passers, with a lot of skill. Work hard and great on the turnovers.
USA: Always fight for the win. Very good all-around players.
Slovakia: Underdog team that will fight to the very end. Intense players that always give theirs 100%.

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05-05-2013, 12:32 PM
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Finland: lately, I see them as mini-Canadians in their game approach
USA: Canada v2
Russia: skilled forwards, questionale defense
Sweden: Finesse game that is all about the details
Canada: have all facets of the game covered [finesse, power, defense, goaltending...ok maybe not goaltending] BUT they don't always assemble the most game appropriate line ups [ie. pick player on roster solely on name pedigree rather than actual performance]

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05-05-2013, 01:30 PM
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Swedes: "Look, our white jersey is yellow."
Canada: "USA, what sorcery is this big ice?"
USA: "We don't know, but its horrible."
Russia: "The most handsome player in our team is Kovalchuck."
Czech: "Don't score first or we will not play your game!"
Slovaks: "We're not Czechs! We only play like them."
Finns: "Give us that silver already.."


Rest: "We want to play too!"

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05-06-2013, 11:01 AM
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Russia forwards: ( good skating, excellent stickhandling skills, can beat defenders one on one, lacks ability to play in traffic
That's not a "nation" thing. That's a size/strength/skill thing. For example:





Doesn't look like those guys have traffic issues. As for less skilled guys... how exactly does a guy like Antropov have less ability to play in traffic than a comparably skilled forward?

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Datsyuk, Fedorov, Larionov, Makarov, Kulemin, Zubrus, Khristich, Zholtok, Slava Kozlov, Nikolishin?

Radulov and Zherdev are not the "standard" Russian forward.

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Czechs: tend to give up easily faced with adversity?
Czech: Fast
Czech: Quite big skilled players.
When I think of Czech players, I don't honestly think of big players. I suppose Jagr is big, but he's high-profile. Lindros and Lemieux were big, but that doesn't make Canadians big. Having Chara doesn't make the Slovakians all giants. Speedy Czechs? Sometimes. At the same time, there are guys like Jiri Hudler; fluid and agile, but not fast by any means. And I don't see the "give up easily" part; Elias is an excellent playoff performer; Jagr always was; Hasek had every right to just give up on Buffalo any given night; Hudler scored the last two Wings goals of the series against Nashville in 2012 and was one of only four significantly effective forwards (only two of whom - Dats and Z - are on the roster against the Ducks as Helm is injured and Hudler is a Flame).

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Swedes: sometimes slow players?
Sweden: Offensive
Sweden: Good allround players, both defensemen and forwards.
"sometimes slow"? Hal Gill, Derian Hatcher, and other non-Swedes would like a word with you about "slow".

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Finns: somewhat ineffective scorers?
Finland: Stable
Finland: Works very hard, plays well with teammates, can't score
Pretty accurate. I think it understates the Finnish defensive game (especially up front) and the number of high-end goalies coming from Finland recently.

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Canadians: complacency?
Canada: Skilled
Canada: Big, strong, quick skilled players.
Canadian players aren't any more "big/strong/quick/skilled" than other nations; at least not all at once.

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Russians: lacking team play and discipline?
Russia: Smooth
Russia: can't win a faceoff
Russia: Good stickhandlers with a lot of speed, good one on one. Good individually, not as a team
Lacking team play? Doesn't the whole concept of system play in the NHL come from playing against Soviet teams?

Also, of the top 16 players (55%+) in the regular season in faceoff percentage, two were Russian (Sobotka and Datsyuk). That's 12.5%; a higher percentage than that of Russians in the NHL. Both are currently top-nine in the playoffs; which is 22.2%. It's a small sample, but certainly a significant point against "Russians can't win faceoffs".

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Americans: decent mix of traits team-wise but lacking true skill in them?
USA: Physical
USA: Hardworking players, good at grinding and checking. Two-way
Patrick Kane and Phil Kessel would like to disagree with every single point.

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05-06-2013, 11:28 AM
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Norway: Very physical. Bonecrushing hits! Just ask the Danes

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Switzerland:

Hard working, disciplined, heart out hockey with lots of skill, but lack of absolutely world class skill so far.

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05-06-2013, 11:41 AM
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Finland: Goaltending, energy and teamplay. Dont really have any superstars.
Sweden: Skilled, very good skaters, great defensibly. not so physical.
Russia: Great skaters, skill, and again skaters. Sometimes they can be too selfish.
Canada: Big, skilled, physical. Sometimes take dumb penalties and heat up too much.
Czechs: Great passers, with a lot of skill. Work hard and great on the turnovers.
USA: Always fight for the win. Very good all-around players.
Slovakia: Underdog team that will fight to the very end. Intense players that always give theirs 100%.

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05-06-2013, 02:05 PM
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Norway (and Denmark): Hardworking and very professional. Not too flashy, but defensively sound.

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Switzerland:

Hard working, disciplined, heart out hockey with lots of skill, but lack of absolutely world class skill so far.
Exactly like Slovenia, but without "lots of skill" (instead "some skill") and with "without luck".

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Lacking team play? Doesn't the whole concept of system play in the NHL come from playing against Soviet teams?

Also, of the top 16 players (55%+) in the regular season in faceoff percentage, two were Russian (Sobotka and Datsyuk). That's 12.5%; a higher percentage than that of Russians in the NHL. Both are currently top-nine in the playoffs; which is 22.2%. It's a small sample, but certainly a significant point against "Russians can't win faceoffs".
I think they deservedly got that reputation during the dry spell of 93-08. They dressed insanely skilled teams every single year that rarely functioned as well as they should have together. It's obviously exaggerated and stereotyped but there's some truth to it.

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05-06-2013, 04:35 PM
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This is a major generalization based on the past tournaments:

Czechs: Try not to get frustrated and controlling your temper.
Finland: Stay composed, avoid meltdowns.
Canada: Just focus on the game, work harder.

Sweden usually seems to play up to their potential, maybe avoiding some mental lapses is their achilles heel?

Russia... uhm, hit or miss?

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For goaltenders :

Canadians - Great lateral movement, outstanding skaters, top-notch puckhandling ability.
USA - Consistent, many of them pull off "Miracle Saves" (i.e. Thomas, Quick, Miller), not always the best at handling the puck (i.e. Thomas, Quick, Miller)
Swedes - BIG, good lateral movement, often times they play more of a game by the numbers with butterfly slides and taking away as much net as possible
Finnish - Nigh-superhuman
Russian - Hybrid style is very prevalent, have a reputation for being hotheads, are known for going into beast-mode and becoming the best player on their team - even moreso than the average goalie

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Also, of the top 16 players (55%+) in the regular season in faceoff percentage, two were Russian (Sobotka and Datsyuk). That's 12.5%; a higher percentage than that of Russians in the NHL. Both are currently top-nine in the playoffs; which is 22.2%. It's a small sample, but certainly a significant point against "Russians can't win faceoffs"
Sobotka is not Russian. And yes, face offs are a big problem for the Russians, watch any Russia - Canada game and take a look at the FO stats

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I think for the states they seem to be leading the way in power forward type players.

Finnish players are hard-nosed, two-way players.

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Right now....

Sniping - Russia (Semin, Ovie, Kovy etc...)
Puck Control - Sweden (Sedins, Karlsson, Alfie etc...)
Two-way play - USA (Backes, Callahan, Brown etc...)

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05-07-2013, 09:27 AM
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Skill to the Nations:
Sweden - tactics
Canada - shot
Finland - endurance
USA - speed
Russia - puck-handling
Czech - patience

At the end of a game ...
a Swede has made the most correct plays
a Czech has made the least unforced errors
a Russian has made the most highlight reel plays
an American has drawn the most penalties
a Finn has travelled the longest distance
and a Canadian has scored most goals.

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Canada - High tempo, crash the net and shoot alot.
Finland - Great goalkeeping, problem with offense.
Sweden - Great playmakers and finess.
Russia - Great individuality.

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Goalkeeping isn't a prototypical national trait for us Finns. It's an acquired trait, it wasn't a long time ago that our best goalkeepers were Myllys, Tammi, Ketterer. None of whom got close in the NHL.

No, a national trait is sometimes you've always had. And there the hard working, fast, dependable 3rd liner is the prototypical Finnish player.
That's a national trait.

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Sobotka is not Russian. And yes, face offs are a big problem for the Russians, watch any Russia - Canada game and take a look at the FO stats
Yeah... I guess he's Czech. It's the stupid "born in USSR" combined with his first name. Most sites don't have a "sort by international affiliation" button.

Also, comparing any nation to Canada in faceoffs is kind of unfair; get serious here.

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Skill to the Nations:
Sweden - tactics
Canada - shot
Finland - endurance
USA - speed
Russia - puck-handling
Czech - patience

At the end of a game ...
a Swede has made the most correct plays
a Czech has made the least unforced errors
a Russian has made the most highlight reel plays
an American has drawn the most penalties
a Finn has travelled the longest distance
and a Canadian has scored most goals.
Also, a Canadian has TAKEN the most penalties.

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Yeah... I guess he's Czech. It's the stupid "born in USSR" combined with his first name. Most sites don't have a "sort by international affiliation" button.

Also, comparing any nation to Canada in faceoffs is kind of unfair; get serious here.
Except of course Sobotka was born in Czechoslovakia and Czechoslovakia (and Czech republic/Slovakia) were never a part of the USSR. Part of the Soviet bloc/Warsaw pact yes, but officially a totally distinct country from the USSR. Also, at least the NHL page from what I can recall when listing players born in Czecholovakia they add (now Slovakia)/(now Czech republic) in brackets like this or at least they used to.

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I sometimes wonder how stupid some people might look e.g. about Czechoslovakia being part of USSR or Sobotka being Russian ... But on other side It's not that bad yet. Some of Americans or Canadians thinks that Czechoslovakia still exists.


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I sometimes wonder how stupid some people might look e.g. about Czechoslovakia being part of USSR or Sobotka being Russian ... But on other side It's not that bad yet. Some of Americans or Canadians thinks that Czechoslovakia still exists.

huh? it doesn't? Or did it die and give birth to two ornery brothers?

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Goalkeeping isn't a prototypical national trait for us Finns. It's an acquired trait, it wasn't a long time ago that our best goalkeepers were Myllys, Tammi, Ketterer. None of whom got close in the NHL.
Myllys played 40 games in NHL and also recorded an assist

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Canadians - Big, skilled forwards that excel in hitting and cycling the puck in the corners for chances. Use the body to separate people off the puck and have another forward driving to the net or stationed in front. Often the defenseman are tough as nails and enjoy the physical aspect of the game. Can be dirty at times in their aggressiveness.

Americans - All I think of is two-way. Whether it's a defenseman or forward, it seems they play both sides of the rink (from Kesler to Brown to Rafalski to Leetch). Defensively responsible, can pot 20-30 goals, great skaters; ultimately perfect second liners. The defenseman are offensively minded and good skaters that allow them to recover well.

Swedes - Slick, intelligent, team players that look to get everyone involved. Use the full rink to their advantage, slipping off checks when cycling. Excellent playmaking abilities and puck distribution. The defenseman often excel at making the first pass coming out of the zone and are generally mobile. The swedes have a nice mix of defensive and offensive defensemen.

Fins - Gritty, hardworking, two-way hockey players. Often have no trouble playing the game along the boards and in high traffic areas. Not exactly the best goalscorers, but they are often the perfect role players. Selfless in their pursuit of winning. The goalies are the class of Finland and likely the NHL, and my guess is this influences the way their forwards and defensemen play the game.

Russians - High voltage, run and gun forwards that have blazing speed and better hands. They often weave in and out of the defensive coverage, finding spots to get the puck. Great on the PP for the reasons noted above. It is often hit or miss whether they play a sound defensive game as their talent offensively is so intriguing. Not really a goaltending factory by any stretch.

That's all I have in me right now.

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