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09-11-2013, 05:30 PM
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Not even close. First off, if its character progression you want, no show compares to the progression of BB characters. The only show I have found to be close to having the same level of progression is Sopranos, and its still really not that close. When BB started, Walt was the protagonist, the guy who was just trying to leave his family with some money before he died. As the show progresses you start to see the money and power truly corrupt walt, and heisenberg starts emerging. The same progression is there with almost every character, Jesse goes from bumbling low level drug peddler, into a truly complicated, compassionate, and broken individual, broken thanks in large part due to heisenberg. Hank starts as the antagonist, but as the show develops you realize he is the most well intentioned character on the show, he is the only one motivated to do good. Skylar's transformation might be the most shocking, as she was directly influenced by heisenberg, he ****ed with her mind more than any other character and has really turned her into a female heisenberg. I could go on about Breaking Bad all day, but it may be falling on deaf ears because after reading your post it seems you didn't make it past the 1st season.

Also, I thinks it's important to note that Dexter has a much longer time slot, which would seemingly lead to deeper, more complex character progression. Sadly, with Dexter, this does not seem to be the case.
I disagree on many accounts, but given that statement, I am going to assume this discussion will go in no positive direction and refrain from engaging it.

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09-11-2013, 07:23 PM
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I disagree on many accounts, but given that statement, I am going to assume this discussion will go in no positive direction and refrain from engaging it.
Sorry, I really wasn't trying to sound like a troll, but when someone say's BB is a one plot pony, I question how involved they have gotten into the show. The first season is by far the slowest season, with a centralized plot around walter, but after that the show starts to focus on all the characters, and how Walt/Heisenberg decisions directly affect those characters. I strongly recommend you reconsider Breaking Bad, but if you have actually watched a lot of the episodes, and still don't like it, I will respect your opinion.

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09-11-2013, 08:51 PM
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Looks like Lynn has earned himself another start. He's been fantastic tonight.

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Sorry, I really wasn't trying to sound like a troll, but when someone say's BB is a one plot pony, I question how involved they have gotten into the show. The first season is by far the slowest season, with a centralized plot around walter, but after that the show starts to focus on all the characters, and how Walt/Heisenberg decisions directly affect those characters. I strongly recommend you reconsider Breaking Bad, but if you have actually watched a lot of the episodes, and still don't like it, I will respect your opinion.
I like it and am starting 5.5.

I just think it is good, but over hyped.

Plenty of holes in the story, but still entertaining.

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I get tired of the "Dexter is so much worse than it used to be" crap that seems to have become a reality based on groupthink perception. I have recently re-watched every season, and outside of seasons 1 and 4, all of them are flawed yet entertaining (with the exclusion of the admitted trainwreck of a season which was season 6). The conclusion of Season 2 where Lila killed Doakes for Dexter was way too convenient and a cop-out with what should have been a defining moral choice. Remember Esme Pascal? I'd rather not either. The Skinner in season 3 was one of the most boring of all major antagonists of the show, and the main storyline with Prado unfolded in a VERY predictable way. Anyone that didn't guess that Dexter would have to eventually kill him apparently has never seen television before. Season 5 had its own flaws, but took a character in Lumen that should have been a colossal failure, and made an interesting character. Also, Jordan Chase was underrated as a villain as the writers were able to create a complete monster with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Season 7's Isaak Sirko's arc from villain to weird ally was original for the show, and Deb's moral degeneration was interesting to watch. This season has been a bit slow for a "final season", but there are still 3 episodes left to pull out some major twists and memorable moments.

Overall, in order to watch Dexter, you have always had to suspend disbelief at some of the convenient plotting, the fact that the Miami Metro Police Station apparently only employs crooked cops, politicians, and murderers, the completely terrible decisions that the characters randomly make, and the subplots and characters that are sometimes introduced only to be dropped completely. Despite its flaws, it still manages to be very watchable and mostly entertaining. The show really hasn't deteriorated, it's always been an uneven ride. People just tended to overlook the flaws of the show in the early years due to the novelty of the show and how fresh the premise was. Now, people are just used to a show centered on a serial killer, other shows have come out since that have raised the bar of good television, and the flaws that the show have always had are being focused on.

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09-12-2013, 10:42 AM
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Looks like Lynn has earned himself another start. He's been fantastic tonight.
Yes he was. I was especially happy to see himself hold himself together after some bad breaks. On a side note, I dunno if anybody heard but Wayne Gretzky was there. And I was sitting five rows behind him and didn't see him.

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09-12-2013, 10:48 AM
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Kinda feel bad to see Mark Sanchez get hurt.

On a side note, former mizzou tiger LB Sean Weatherspoon is questionable for Sunday's rams game...should open up a lot of running for the RB's..

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09-12-2013, 06:08 PM
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I think BB is a one plot pony. DEA Brother is smart yet naive, while continuously one step away from catching brother in law. Simultaneously, Walt lets his ego get him closer to caught, only to use his smarts at the last minute to get himself out of trouble. Lets sprinkle in an idiotic move by Jesse periodically just for good measure.
Fortunately the critical consensus is it's probably the greatest show of all time. Go read Tim Goodman's episode deconstructions, or Donna Bowman's at AV Club, or Alan Sepinwall's writing about the show. Rather than echo/reinforce/expand upon the many, many things they and others have written/observed about what a complex, tightly-written, brilliantly-acted, profoundly-directed masterwork this show is, I'll refer you there and otherwise we can agree to disagree. However, I will say I have never met anyone who's seen both Breaking Bad and Dexter and thinks Dexter's in the same ballpark. That's crazy beyond an ability to even initiate a discussion IMO, so we can agree to disagree.

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09-12-2013, 07:31 PM
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Fortunately the critical consensus is it's probably the greatest show of all time. Go read Tim Goodman's episode deconstructions, or Donna Bowman's at AV Club, or Alan Sepinwall's writing about the show. Rather than echo/reinforce/expand upon the many, many things they and others have written/observed about what a complex, tightly-written, brilliantly-acted, profoundly-directed masterwork this show is, I'll refer you there and otherwise we can agree to disagree. However, I will say I have never met anyone who's seen both Breaking Bad and Dexter and thinks Dexter's in the same ballpark. That's crazy beyond an ability to even initiate a discussion IMO, so we can agree to disagree.
If I am crazy in your book them so be it. I also tend to go against general consensus on matter of mass culture.

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I've seen the first 4 seasons of Dexter a few times, I actually bought the season discs.

It definitely goes downhill after the trinity killer main season. It's still a good show, but it doesn't interest me enough to watch it the full way through, kind of what happened with HIMYM even though they are completely different shows.

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09-12-2013, 10:20 PM
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Dexter always was a one plot line pony. A storyline (Dexter doing his thing and trying to get away with it) is interesting. B, C, D, E storylines stunningly boring. Seasons one, two and four (four is the Lithgow season) were good; it's been a chore to watch after that, and I say that as someone whose friend was a writer on a later season. Dexter and Breaking Bad aren't comparable. It's like a decent juniors team against the single greatest hockey team to ever lace it up. You can't even put them in the same sentence in terms of quality in literally every single way good television/film is judged: writing, acting, plotting, pacing, directing, cinematography, drama, tension, and theme. In none of these categories can Dexter remotely compare.

Dexter is at least better than Walking Dead, which is really the most overrated TV show of at least the past two decades, maybe of all time. Watched the entire first two seasons and so bored to tears I could not name a single character if pressed (and the characters are so paint-by-numbers caricature anyway).

Luther is back. Now that's a good show. Idris Elba is the ****.
This is just one post I'm quoting but you people can't be serious can you? You say the show is boring because nothing happens (because Dexter's character is progressing to not having to kill anymore) yet call it a one trick pony?

I would say this season of Dexter is the most tense I've ever been for a series to end. I mean my favorite shows of all time have to include Dexter, Breaking Bad, Lost, Supernatural, and the Stargate series (cheesy but I loooove it).

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The goaltending in the CHL for NHL 14 is ridiculous.

No goalie is above .900 SP. I know they don't usually do as well as NHL goalies, but its not close to this bad.

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This is just one post I'm quoting but you people can't be serious can you? You say the show is boring because nothing happens (because Dexter's character is progressing to not having to kill anymore) yet call it a one trick pony?

I would say this season of Dexter is the most tense I've ever been for a series to end. I mean my favorite shows of all time have to include Dexter, Breaking Bad, Lost, Supernatural, and the Stargate series (cheesy but I loooove it).
No – my point is that Deb is boring, Maria LaGuerta or whatever her name is is boring as all ****, Angel Batista might be the most boring character ever and not one element of his plotline has ever been the faintest bit interesting, etc. These are all the B, C, D, E storylines. They're filler and could not possibly be less compelling or meaningful except to fill space and time with non-Dexter suff. Quinn, yawn. Masuka is the only interesting side character in all of it. Dexter, the main storyline, that is interesting. But it's not even close to 100% of the show. Shows have 100% to them. When 40% of the show is the ridiculously uninteresting filler of the side storylines, then it hasn't even crossed the threshold of conversation for top shows. We're talking about the Gretzkys and Lemeiuxes here. Dexter is Brian Propp, Breaking Bad is Gretzky.

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No – my point is that Deb is boring, Maria LaGuerta or whatever her name is is boring as all ****, Angel Batista might be the most boring character ever and not one element of his plotline has ever been the faintest bit interesting, etc. These are all the B, C, D, E storylines. They're filler and could not possibly be less compelling or meaningful except to fill space and time with non-Dexter suff. Quinn, yawn. Masuka is the only interesting side character in all of it. Dexter, the main storyline, that is interesting. But it's not even close to 100% of the show. Shows have 100% to them. When 40% of the show is the ridiculously uninteresting filler of the side storylines, then it hasn't even crossed the threshold of conversation for top shows. We're talking about the Gretzkys and Lemeiuxes here. Dexter is Brian Propp, Breaking Bad is Gretzky.
Basically all of those things change in the final season. It kinda starts shifting that way at the end of season 8. And I wouldn't go as far to say that Breaking Bad is that much better than Dexter. I would say the last few seasons of Dexter while frowned upon by many have actually been better due to better character development and moving away from the killing one random person with a somewhat backstory to them every episode. I would say the show is based around a real plot now.

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Man the Mariners butchered that game. I'll take the W though!

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Yeah, both our runs tonight were gifts but still go a game clear at the top. Carpenter did have a couple of nice defensive plays and Yadi throwing out a couple of runners, so at least our D was solid.

Pirates had an inside the park home run to start back-to-back-to-back home runs. Still lost 5-4 to the Cubs, that's 11 straight games on Friday 13th they have lost

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“Suppose it’s an Old Yeller situation.”

Saul cracks me up at times.

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“Suppose it’s an Old Yeller situation.”

Saul cracks me up at times.
I'm actually thinking the spinoff with Saul can be pretty good. I'm going to guess it's about all the wacky antics he has to go through with his clients.

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I'm actually thinking the spinoff with Saul can be pretty good. I'm going to guess it's about all the wacky antics he has to go through with his clients.
I am guessing it depends on your definition of good.

Good as in quality... not so sure.
Good as in entertaining...I bet it will be.

Either way, should be interesting.

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I am guessing it depends on your definition of good.

Good as in quality... not so sure.
Good as in entertaining...I bet it will be.

Either way, should be interesting.
Yeah I meant as in entertaining. I don't expect it to have the storyline, directing and acting of BB lol. But I expect it to be good for a few laughs here and there.

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Bob odenkirk is a pretty good standup comedian.

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Saul and his goons are all stand up comedians.

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