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04-14-2013, 02:49 PM
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Could Brian Burke be what this team needs?

This discussion has popped up in different threads, so thought it might be worth having it's own.

Frist, as some have discussed, for him to take that job, you'd likely have to see Lowe be fired with Tambi.

A year ago I would have laughed at the idea. I hate the guy. I think he's obnoxious and a total ***! That said, he's best known for building what our big weakness is. Making a team that is tough to play against.

He won a cup in Anaheim because he inherited a team with lots of young skill. He just had to build toughness around them. The issue in Toronto was, there was no skill to be built around. He had to take his time acquiring skill, and now it's looking like it's paying off.

Drafting - He was always called out for the Bobby Ryan pick in Anaheim, or the Kadri pick in Toronto. But when you look at those players now, they just took a few years to develop. They were the right choices.

Trades - Unlike Tambo, this guy wins trades far more often than he losses. He usually gives up value, but it's usually worth it. He gave up a lot for Pronger, but it was worth it. The Lupul and Gardiner deal was great for the Leafs. He gave garbage for Phaneuf. He won the summer trade with Philly. Even the Kessel deal, he took a gamble. Yes the picks look like they will be great players, but the guy he got in return is far from a bust.

I think he would be the guy to make the trades that need to be made to make us into a real NHL team.

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I can't stand Burke, but the guy has proven he knows how to close if he comes in with some strong pieces already in place.

He's certainly better than what we have now.

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ya id be cool with it

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Could an inanimate object be better then what this team has?

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I wouldn't watch the Oilers anymore if that buffoon was named GM.

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Could an inanimate object be better then what this team has?

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If you disagree that's fine, but care to add more to the conversation? I made valid points as to why I think that the guy I hate most in hockey, might be good for us.

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Absolutely not.

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I've expressed my opinion elsewhere, Burke would be a terrific hire.

A year ago I thought Burke being GM here was idiotic but you can't deny the man gets results. He built up VAN, ANA and now TOR.

He has a vision an he executes. He may be a blowhard but he also knows what he is doing. Would be a breath of fresh air and replace the old boys club mentality we have had here for so long. He also knows how to make moves to improve a club. With the new rules about keeping salary or cap hit or both he could probably get results even faster (especially since the idea was his to implement it).

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Probably, but I'd be worried he'd do something stupid like trade Hall

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Imagine trading Andy McDonald for Doug Weight. Imagine being Brian Burke

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I'd like the change. Could it be any worse that being the worst already? No where to go but up [or stay being at the bottom]

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Imagine losing Bryzgalov for nothing because you can't manage a salary cap. Imagine being Brian Burke

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I hate the guy.

But I hate how cream puff soft our team has been for over a decade. If the choice was our current management vs Burke I think I'm pissed enough right now to take a chance on Burke.

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I don't get why anyone would want Burke for this team.

He's a decent GM at setting a foundation(a point which we're past), but horrible at building an actual team.

He drafted Kadri, traded for Kessel and Phaneuf. A pretty good foundation for a team.

What has he done to fill in the roster around them?

His best try at getting a #1C for Kessel was signing Tyler Bozak out of college.

His best attempt to get a #1G was signing Jonas Gustavsson out of Sweden.


What did Burke do to make the current Leafs hard to play against?

He didn't draft Komarov or Kulemin. He didn't claim McLaren off waivers.

He signed Orr, a 4th line goon, and traded for Mark Fraser, a tough #6D.

I'm pretty sure any GM, even Tambo, could manage that.


Burke was gifted a team in Anaheim and has been insanely overrated ever since.

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would be the best possible hire for the oilers.

Look at what he started with in toronto, and look at toronto's roster now.

His fingerprints are all over that roster, maybe 90% of it.

Not to mention burke would add instant credibility into the oilers organization, which is considered a laughing stock.

Burke also has a great resume at trading, I would call him the best trading GM in the league actually. (Even that kessel trade does not look that bad anymore)

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Imagine losing Bryzgalov for nothing because you can't manage a salary cap. Imagine being Brian Burke
Wow so you are saying he has lost some trades. Shocking. He still wins more than he loses and he improves every team has been on (since Hartford).

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I'd like the change. Could it be any worse that being the worst already? No where to go but up [or stay being at the bottom]
Not true. I hate this thought process. Are we near the bottom of the standings? Yes. Does that mean its impossible to get worse? Hell no. Say we traded Yakupov for Iginla at the deadline, would it help us this year? Sure. We might even have squeaked into the playoffs. It would destroy our future though. You can ALWAYS be worse

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Bryzgalov wasn't even traded. Point is that hes an awful general manager. If you think this team sucks now imagine how bad they will be when they start swapping out skill for size.

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Imagine losing Bryzgalov for nothing because you can't manage a salary cap. Imagine being Brian Burke
Bryzgalov was the third best goalie on their roster and no one was willing to trade for him.

Pretty sure that move had nothing to do with the salary cap.

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Bryzgalov wasn't even traded. Point is that hes an awful general manager. If you think this team sucks now imagine how bad they will be when they start swapping out skill for size.
I can only wish that this team will be as bad as the Maple Leafs one day.

Being bad enough to make it into the playoffs would be great.

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If you disagree that's fine, but care to add more to the conversation? I made valid points as to why I think that the guy I hate most in hockey, might be good for us.
You did not make valid points. You're overreacting to us having a young team that is performing poorly and choosing to apply revisionist history to a guy who was just run out of town for his ineptitude in another Canadian city.

Burke inherited the stanley cup team he had with Anaheim from Brian Murray and Kevin Lowe. He was in charge of the Canucks when Bertuzzi/Moore went down which was sickeningly handled.

He has set the Leafs back a ton, and please don't tell they are in a playoff position this year, the east is so much weaker that teams there can flip flop from being semi competitive to horrid each year (see philly NYR). The fact this is the first year they have even scratched at playoff hockey should tell you how bad they have been.

I gave you the eye roll because this topic isn't threadworthy. Brian Burke doesn't play hockey, this team needs hockey players who can fit our needs which are several. This topic has already been brought up a couple weeks ago, there are so many other people who would be better GM's than Burke, but people here like you bring up his name because:
1. He challenged kevin lowe to a fight so he must be cool
2. He acts like an ass to the media and thats what this team needs right? lol

If you would like to improve this teams management please suggest some rational method, such as possibly someone who mentored under Ray Shero, Ken Holland or Peter Chiarelli... otherwise stop making threads which are pointless.

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04-14-2013, 03:17 PM
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Never mind the fact that when Peter Zezel asked for a trade to the eastern conference to be closer to his niece who was dying, like the genius Brian Burke is he traded him to Anahiem. Brian Burke is a dick.

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Yes please. This guy at least has the balls to make a big move unlike Tambo and he turned Toronto from a team with barely any valuable assets to one of the best young teams in the league.

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