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What would you trade for Roberto Luongo?

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04-22-2005, 03:22 PM
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anyways.. you are offering too much!
No, he isn't offering too much. Luongo is a franchise goaltender- to get him, you have to give up a lot.

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anyways.. you are offering too much!
You're going to have to overpay to get Luongo.

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Still wouldn't do it!!!! hahaha only messing

I think you'd have to throw in Emery aswell as a draft pick... not too sure though... But if i was the Ottawa GM I give up the following.. and i think the panthers just might bite....

To Panthers:
Havlat
Volchenkov
Emery
2005 1st round draft pick

To Senators:
Luongo

once again though i'd like to see what a panthers fan would think of an offer like this???

If I was a Panthers fan, I would take that and run. Seriously, how much more can they get for one player, although a very good one?

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To Atlanta:
Roberto Luongo

To Florida;
Kari Lehtonen
Ilya Kovalchuk
Ronald Petrovicky
2nd Round pick

Lehtonen is possibly the hottest goaltending prospect about, besides maybe Marc-Andre Fleury, a suitable replacement for Luongo. Kovalchuk is one of the better young offensive stars in the game and tied with Nash and Iginla for the Rocket Richard trophy. Petrovicky is a throw-in, and a boost to the Pathers offense. A second round over a first because teh draft is far too deep.. and, Atlanta has already given up more than a fair amount, IMHO.
I wouldn't do it from an Atlanta perspective. They give up players that can't be replaced by anyone on their roster. Besides, they only need to wait a few more years for Lehtonen. They don't go for a cup now, their core is still young. I just don't see Kovalchuk traded.


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it is substantially better. They have Theodore in their deal you have nothing even remotely comparable in yours.
any team in the league can throw in a good young d man, a very average goalie prospect and an unproven good prospect.

The inclusion of Theodore makes the entire Hab deal.....
Zednik and Kaberle are probably a saw off.
the prospects aren't so great that it makes much of swing in the deal.
Theodore and Tellquist don't belong in the same sentence.

The point is that the marquee centrepiece of the montreal deal is Theodore, yours is Kaberle whom the Habs have already matched with Zednik.
The montreal deal is a FAR better deal.

It would still be a far better deal if it was only Theo and Zednik VS. your offer.

I'm not going to comment on a Luongo trade for Toronto, but...you think Zednik has the same trade value as Kaberle?

Why would you think that?

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To Edmonton:
Roberto Luongo
Stephen Weiss

To Florida:
Ryan Smyth
Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers
Ales Hemsky
Robbie Schremp

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Timonen - Luongo straight up

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Say what you want about me, but I wouldn't trade Luongo straight up for Brodeur. I know Marty is great, but Luongo is far younger and some would say even more skilled even with plenty of time to develop.
Anyone who says Luongo is more skilled i believe knows nothing about hockey Broeur is one of most skilled golies ever

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Timonen - Luongo straight up

You know as well as I that's not enough to get it. We'd have no use for Vokoun, and Florida would need a goalie:

To FLA: Vokoun, Timonen, Shishkanov OR Upshall

to Nas: Luongo

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I prefer Lehtonen's upside over Luongo's.
Why?

Lehtonen's upside is what Luongo is right now.

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Leafs wouldn't be able to afford him unless Keenan wanted just a bunch of good players for him.

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I like Bergeron. A lot! But I'd happily part with Patrice and Raycroft for Luongo.

He's that good.

Having said that, with Hannu Toivenen in the fold, I can't see the Bruins giving up such a great young forward to land a goaltender.

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I'm not going to comment on a Luongo trade for Toronto, but...you think Zednik has the same trade value as Kaberle?

Why would you think that?
I gave him an equal on their value to avoid the argument turning from trade proposals to a Leafs vs Habs thread.

In actuality they both have decent stats for forwards their age.

Zednik: 512 games played, 145 goals, 124 assists, 269 total points and a -5 (10.68 shooting percentage) 0.525 points per game (9 NHL seasons, 29 years of age)

Kaberle: 443 games played, 41 goals, 183 assists, 224 pointsand a +57 (7.58 shooting percentage), 0.505 points per game (6 NHL seasons, 27 years of age)

...oh wait...they're not both forwards.

I would, in a heart beat, take Kaberle over Zednik. As well I'd think that FLorida fans would prefer a strong offensive defenceman, over an offensive forward at this point in their franchise. Kaberle-Bouwmeester would be a very strong skating pairing, puckhandling pairing. Zednik will hit the UFA markets after his contract expires (when the league moves the age to 28ish...although, Kaberle would likely be close too...).

As for his claim that his offer is SO much better than mine, I still find that ridiculous. Theodore has had one very good season, and most of the rest have been reasonably good, but he is not in the top five goalies around the league (Brodeur, Luongo, Belfour, Kiprusoff, Khabibulin, Esche, Denis, Roloson, and Kolzig are all goalies that most teams would prefer to have [Belfour may need to be dropped from the list due to age reasons]). He is not so remarkably good that seeing his name in the deal instantly beats out any other offer, especially one that has two good prospects (at their worst), a #3 defenceman (with the upside to play #2 if he could simply get a bit stronger, but at this stage that's asking alot), and two high draft picks that could yield at least one serviceable player, and a goalie that has proven he can play reasonably well at the NHL level, but will likely not, barring a miracle, be a number one.

I'm not saying that my offer is the better, simply that my offer would still be considerable, even with his there.

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You know as well as I that's not enough to get it. We'd have no use for Vokoun, and Florida would need a goalie:

To FLA: Vokoun, Timonen, Shishkanov OR Upshall

to Nas: Luongo
Heh, from the FLA point of view, they wouldn't take this deal. No way.

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I like Bergeron. A lot! But I'd happily part with Patrice and Raycroft for Luongo.

He's that good.

Having said that, with Hannu Toivenen in the fold, I can't see the Bruins giving up such a great young forward to land a goaltender.
Not in my opinion. This deal, and the Atlanta deal that was floated is simply too much for Luongo. Well... the Atlanta deal is way too much, while this deal is just slightly too much.

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I gave him an equal on their value to avoid the argument turning from trade proposals to a Leafs vs Habs thread.

In actuality they both have decent stats for forwards their age.

Zednik: 512 games played, 145 goals, 124 assists, 269 total points and a -5 (10.68 shooting percentage) 0.525 points per game (9 NHL seasons, 29 years of age)

Kaberle: 443 games played, 41 goals, 183 assists, 224 pointsand a +57 (7.58 shooting percentage), 0.505 points per game (6 NHL seasons, 27 years of age)

...oh wait...they're not both forwards.

I would, in a heart beat, take Kaberle over Zednik. As well I'd think that FLorida fans would prefer a strong offensive defenceman, over an offensive forward at this point in their franchise. Kaberle-Bouwmeester would be a very strong skating pairing, puckhandling pairing. Zednik will hit the UFA markets after his contract expires (when the league moves the age to 28ish...although, Kaberle would likely be close too...).

As for his claim that his offer is SO much better than mine, I still find that ridiculous. Theodore has had one very good season, and most of the rest have been reasonably good, but he is not in the top five goalies around the league (Brodeur, Luongo, Belfour, Kiprusoff, Khabibulin, Esche, Denis, Roloson, and Kolzig are all goalies that most teams would prefer to have [Belfour may need to be dropped from the list due to age reasons]). He is not so remarkably good that seeing his name in the deal instantly beats out any other offer, especially one that has two good prospects (at their worst), a #3 defenceman (with the upside to play #2 if he could simply get a bit stronger, but at this stage that's asking alot), and two high draft picks that could yield at least one serviceable player, and a goalie that has proven he can play reasonably well at the NHL level, but will likely not, barring a miracle, be a number one.

I'm not saying that my offer is the better, simply that my offer would still be considerable, even with his there.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. Brodeur, Luongo, probably Khabibulin are more attractive than Theodore to most GMs. But not Belfour, not Kolzig, and I'm not sure than Kiprusoff's one great season makes him better than Theodore and his one great season along with several good ones.

I know that Denis and Roloson are underrated, and I'm sure that some GMs would take either one ahead of Theodore. But not most, and I really doubt that most GMs would take Esche ahead of Theodore.

The point is that Theodore is IMO pretty safely in the top 10 by consensus, even though different GMs might rank him anywhere from top 5 to top 12. That makes the offer of Theodore, Zednik, prospect and draft pick much better than one centred on Kaberle, prospects and draft picks.

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atlanta doesn't make any deals involving luongo. the have lehts who imo will be as good if not better than luongo.

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Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there.
Is your last name Lumberg by any chance?

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Vancouver: Jovo, Allen, Kesler
Florida: Luongo

Leaves Florida without a goalie and a bit stacked at center and D, so we then do a second trade of Cloutier for something like Van Ryn/Weiss, or whatevers fair value. That would really stack Florida on D, plus it would be a bonus getting Jovo back, and while they're loaded with young centers, they don't have some one of Kesler's type, who projects to be an elite 3rd liner type, so he should fit in nicely.

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To Florida: Markkanen/Conklin, York, Brewer, Hemsky, 1st 2005, 1st 2006

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Very well put there bud, you've just sumed up the most underrated goalie in the league, and done so well in your assestment.
Luongo is underrated when some people have him as one of the top 3 goalies and some have him ahead of Brodeur? Judging by previous goalie ranking threads and some of the offers in this thread, he is clearly not underrated.

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Theodore has had one very good season, and most of the rest have been reasonably good, but he is not in the top five goalies around the league (Brodeur, Luongo, Belfour, Kiprusoff, Khabibulin, Esche, Denis, Roloson, and Kolzig are all goalies that most teams would prefer to have [Belfour may need to be dropped from the list due to age reasons]).
Just curious... why do you single out theodore for only having one good season, then include names like Kipper, Esche and Roloson?

Sorry, but Roloson is not a guy most teams would prefer to have (over theodore). Both Kipper and Esche came off good seasons, but by no means have they proven that they are the real deal (don't forget Kippers 02-03 season, which was just horrifying).

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Aside from maybe one of the Ottawa offers and the Atlanta offer, Florida would probably say no to many of these offers, if the owner sticks to his guns about building through youth. But he loves Keenan and loves listening to Keenan. Florida might get somethin like what Montreal got from Colorado with Keenan in charge, which wasn't much of any real help for Montreal, imo. Florida is goin to want a goalie in any trade that involved Luongo. No seperate trades. And they'll possibly want at least one first round pick in the future included with propspects and players. But I'll guarentee they won't take anyone's old hags or soon-to-be retirees that'll be gone before the lockout ends.

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Just curious... why do you single out theodore for only having one good season, then include names like Kipper, Esche and Roloson?

Sorry, but Roloson is not a guy most teams would prefer to have (over theodore). Both Kipper and Esche came off good seasons, but by no means have they proven that they are the real deal (don't forget Kippers 02-03 season, which was just horrifying).
I said Theodore had only one great season, and a few good ones actually.

But you are right, it was rather wrong to say that and immediately state that Esche, Roloson, and Kiprusoff other teams would want more. I would have been better off saying I would want them on my team over him.

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mtl dont need a goalie


the only team that they can move is ottawa , vancouver ,phoenix anyway

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