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04-17-2013, 11:35 AM
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tbh mcclement is a perfect 3rd line center.
Yes he is.

I'm not trying to beat down Grabo; I love the guy.

But the fact is, our bottom 6 centres need to be guys like McClement and Bozak; the biggest things about keeping the puck out of our net are: possession and smart defensive play.

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04-17-2013, 11:37 AM
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Yes he is.

I'm not trying to beat down Grabo; I love the guy.

But the fact is, our bottom 6 centres need to be guys like McClement and Bozak; the biggest things about keeping the puck out of our net are: possession and smart defensive play.
u dont pay bottom 6 players over 4 mill. and before u say **** about grabo he should be a 2nd line center.......bozak is a bottom 6 player.

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04-17-2013, 11:41 AM
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u dont pay bottom 6 players over 4 mill. and before u say **** about grabo he should be a 2nd line center.......bozak is a bottom 6 player.
Yes Grabo should be a 2nd line centre. I agree. And it frustrates the hell out of me that he isn't playing like one.

If we are prepared to annoint Grabo or Kadri a No1 C; he'll have a spot in the top 6.

But if we're going out and looking for a No1 C, or even another top6 centre, someone has to play 3rd line. And like you said; you can't pay a bottom 6 player over 4M...certainly not 5.5M.

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u dont pay bottom 6 players over 4 mill. and before u say **** about grabo he should be a 2nd line center.......bozak is a bottom 6 player.
Yes this, and you are right you don't pay them 4m, Bozak is fine at 3.5 just like Stajan is paid and the two are pretty much comparable. I prefer Mc to Bozak on a 3rd line role though so with Kadri Bozie is obsolete because isn't as good as Grabo. Getting rid of Grabs to keep Bozie as 1c makes our team worse.

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You guys do know that a 45 point player is top six right?

Bozak is a top 6 center.. He's a #2C.

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You guys do know that a 45 point player is top six right?

Bozak is a top 6 center.. He's a #2C.
Who did not earn the spot, he was gifted it and kept there. If Bozak drops to 3c and manages 45pts or about that we can talk. That and what he does is not good enough to contend with and that's the point so what do you do give him 5m then try and move him for a real 1c? Explain this to me please

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04-17-2013, 11:59 AM
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For me, a good comparable for Bozak is Bolland (3.4M) but i believe this was an RFA deal (someone confirm?).

Going forward I'd like to see:

1st:Trade/UFA
2nd: Kadri
3rd: Bozak (@3.5-3.9MAX)

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Why isn't Bozak being compared to Mike Fisher?

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Why isn't Bozak being compared to Mike Fisher?
didn't even think of that. That is a great comparable!

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For me, a good comparable for Bozak is Bolland (3.4M) but i believe this was an RFA deal (someone confirm?).

Going forward I'd like to see:

Trade/UFA
Kadri
Bozak (@3.5-3.9MAX)
The price range seems fine but sadly that camp appears to be going for 4-5 gold. The guy is just not proven enough to make it.

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didn't even think of that. That is a great comparable!
Then it starts at 4 million.

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The price range seems fine but sadly that camp appears to be going for 4-5 gold. The guy is just not proven enough to make it.
I agree. I don't like the idea of paying him 5M, and he won't get it here.

But even this:

UFA/Trade
Kadri
Bozak (4.25M)

is better than this:

UFA/Trade
Kadri
Grabo (5.5M)


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Then it starts at 4 million.
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I agree. I don't like the idea of paying him 5M, and he won't get it here.

But even this:

UFA/Trade
Kadri
Bozak (4.25M)

is better than this:

UFA/Trade
Kadri
Grabo (5.5M)




4.2
Thing is you sign Bozak to anything and you know he plays with Kessel by default so how does that push the team forward to be a contender?

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As long as we can pay him less then Grabovski, I think we should be happy.

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Thing is you sign Bozak to anything and you know he plays with Kessel by default so how does that push the team forward to be a contender?
We all know that this team needs a No1 C. And I'm sure management has realized this too.
If they thought he was out No1 C; he'd get that 5M no problem. But i think we can all agree that's not going to happen.



Looking at the big picture:

No1C
Kadri
Bozak

is what we want; resigning Bozak is the first step to getting to this; the first step to pushing us forward to being a contender.

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04-17-2013, 12:13 PM
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As long as we can pay him less then Grabovski, I think we should be happy.
So at 5m Bozak is worth it because its less the Grabo? You get what you pay for and it will show for the team next year. Grabo is a 4.75 guy, Bozak is a 3.5 playing a dream role with some of the best talent in the NHL he should be happy.

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Then it starts at 4 million.
There are plenty other comparables making south of $4M. Nice one though, I didn't even think of Fisher.

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We all know that this team needs a No1 C. And I'm sure management has realized this too.
If they thought he was out No1 C; he'd get that 5M no problem. But i think we can all agree that's not going to happen.



Looking at the big picture:

No1C
Kadri
Bozak

is what we want; resigning Bozak is the first step to getting to this; the first step to pushing us forward to being a contender.
But I have a feeling Bozak and Kessel are locked together if on the same team being best buds, and Mc is a really good 3c so why downgrade to Bozak?

I say that because all indications point to this with nobody else getting a shot with Kessel, ever.

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But I have a feeling Bozak and Kessel are locked together if on the same team being best buds, and Mc is a really good 3c so why downgrade to Bozak?
Management is not resigning Bozak to be Kessel's partner and our longterm No1 C.

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Management is not resigning Bozak to be Kessel's partner and our longterm No1 C.
We hope not or at least I do, if its the case you pretty much have to elevate Lupul Kadri to 1, and drop Kessel to 2 discard Grabo for peanuts because he now has health issues and poor performance. It's a bad position and Grabo is not going to be played in a way that can elevate his value as a 3c

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We hope not or at least I do, if its the case you pretty much have to elevate Lupul Kadri to 1, and drop Kessel to 2 discard Grabo for peanuts because he now has health issues and poor performance. It's a bad position and Grabo is not going to be played in a way that can elevate his value as a 3c
This is the key point. Grabo is becoming a victim of the numbers (especially with his play)..

Unless management thinks he or Kadri are our team's long term No1 C and want to roll with:

Grabo
Kadri

or

Kadri
Grabo

..then he is just a victim of the numbers and will have to be moved. He's certainly a better choice than Bozak for a top 6 centre, but his lack of chemistry with Kessel along with his salary make him hard to place anywhere.

Ideally, we'd find a legit No1 C and have what I posted earlier:

NO1C
Kadri
Bozak

but No1Cs are hard to come by, and there's really nothing wrong with our top6 right now. Sure there's room for improvement, but there's nothing detrimental to it. As a result, i wouldn't count out a top 6 of Kadri/Bozak going into next season with Grabo being moved.

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Why isn't Bozak being compared to Mike Fisher?
Because they play different styles with Fisher being the harder player to play against.

Fisher also has a smoking hot wife who helps sell the game in Nashville.

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This is the key point. Grabo is becoming a victim of the numbers (especially with his play)..

Unless management thinks he or Kadri are our team's long term No1 C and want to roll with:

Grabo
Kadri

or

Kadri
Grabo

..then he is just a victim of the numbers and will have to be moved. He's certainly a better choice than Bozak for a top 6 centre, but his lack of chemistry with Kessel along with his salary make him hard to place anywhere.

Ideally, we'd find a legit No1 C and have what I posted earlier:

NO1C
Kadri
Bozak

but No1Cs are hard to come by, and there's really nothing wrong with our top6 right now. Sure there's room for improvement, but there's nothing detrimental to it. As a result, i wouldn't count out a top 6 of Kadri/Bozak going into next season with Grabo being moved.
With Bozak and Kessel being so close I fear the Muskoka 2.0 in the making. Quite often management breaks apart chums look at the party boys of Phi. As an example of this. You really don't know how Kessel would take it if coach would say Bozak to third. They leverage each others position in bargaining we have no idea if Kessel is saying I want to play with Bozak, just like Dats. Over in Detroit picks his linemates as well, just don't know the situation but the leafs are in a toughy.

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Why isn't Bozak being compared to Mike Fisher?
Definitely a better comparison.

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Definitely a better comparison.
Fisher is better, missed lots of time though. Is now old as well 33

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