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04-13-2013, 02:01 PM
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Quebec Nordiques 1989-90

Why were they so bad? I don't think I can remember a team which was so much less than the sum of their parts. Missing the playoffs is one thing, but only 12 wins?

On paper at least, they had Joe Sakic, Michel Goulet, Peter Stasny, Guy Lafleur (yes, he was old but he 34 points in 39 games), Tony McKegney, Jeff Brown, Bryan Fogerty and Curtis Leschyshyn. Michel Bergeron was the coach.


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They were terrible on defense and in goals, allowing 407 goals.

Joe Sakic having 102 pts is remarquable itself.

EDIT: This thread make me imagine a "dream match" of these Nordiques vs the 1974-75 Washington Capitals.


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They were beyond terrible defensively.

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Nordiques already used seven goalies: Ron Tugnutt, Greg Millen, Scott Gordon , Mario Brunetta, Sergei Mylnikov, John Tanner, Stephane Fiset.
Repeat this achievement could only be Blues in 2003

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They were terrible on defense and in goals, allowing 407 goals.

Joe Sakic having 102 pts is remarquable itself.

EDIT: This thread make me imagine a "dream match" of these Nordiques vs the 1974-75 Washington Capitals.
Actually Sakic 102 points isn't as remarkable as it seems, this wasn't Selke Joe Sakic yet.

Joe did have a breakout year where his confidence grew and he took alot more shots though the rest of his overall game didn't emerge until later on.

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On paper the team looked alright. Not as if they'd get a measely 31 points. Stastny was there for part of the season, as was Goulet. Both were around a PPG. Both were getting longer in the tooth though. Lafleur was almost 40 but still had close to a PPG in a partial season.

However, Sakic had 102 points and was -40. Something is wrong with your team right there if your top scorer has that poor of a plus minus. I would describe their players as "serviceable" at best. There were lots of guys you would see plugging around on what would normally be a team's 4th line. And defensemen that you would see on a normal team logging 10 minutes. Well, these were some of Quebec's best players.

And the goaltending. Wow. 7 goalies used all season. A combined 4.95 GAA between them. Basically Quebec had to average over 5 goals a game to win. Here's the kicker, the goalies between them played 86 games. That means that there was only 6 times when a goalie was pulled. Why that is significant is because it shows you that despite all the goals the goalies would allow the coach rarely pulled them knowing that the next one was no better. Here are the names of the luminaries who played goal: Ron Tugnutt, Greg Millen, Sergei Mylnikov, John Tanner, Stephane Fiset, Mario Brunetta, Scott Gordon. Only Tugnutt, Millen and Fiset had any moderate success.

This was a team that allowed 407 goals. Here are the teams with the highest GA for a season:

1975 Washington - 446
1986 Red Wings - 415
1993 Sharks - 414
1990 Nordiques - 407

They were just downright woeful. Funny thing, Claude Loiselle was on the 1986 Wings and 1990 Nords.

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Thanks for the memories.

Oh, they were just A W F U L ...

But, they were our team..

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What is the "pull down" the announcer keeps going on about on the Bollard goal? I watched three times. The Quebec player fell.

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Actually Sakic 102 points isn't as remarkable as it seems, this wasn't Selke Joe Sakic yet.

Joe did have a breakout year where his confidence grew and he took alot more shots though the rest of his overall game didn't emerge until later on.
Yes it was remarkable.

That team was horrible -- this was the first time a player ever scored 100 points on a last place team -- and Joe did it the next year too.

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The league was much tougher than -- no expansion. A rebuilding team was just dead in the water.

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They were almost as bad in 91 (46 points) and 92 (52 points). The real impressive thing is they doubled their point total in 93 (104).

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Actually Sakic 102 points isn't as remarkable as it seems, this wasn't Selke Joe Sakic yet.

Joe did have a breakout year where his confidence grew and he took alot more shots though the rest of his overall game didn't emerge until later on.
Did you expected Sakic to be a Selke-like player on a 31 points team?

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1989-90 Nordiques

Team played well below their talent level. Michel Bergeron was in over his head as coach, never adapting to the changes in the NHL - shorter shifts, four lines, etc. Team discipline did not exist. Goaltending was bad. Ron Tugnutt was the default #1 but not NHL ready. Cumulative SC% was .856.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/QUE/1990.html

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Sorry as this has nothing to do with the topic, but Tony McKegney, why did you trade Oates for him and Bernie Federko, Jim Devellano..

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Did you expected Sakic to be a Selke-like player on a 31 points team?
No of course not but some people tend to call their favorite players from their peak attributes and forget that Sakic was quite different from start to finish than say a guy like Forsberg for instance.

Heck Sakic's transformation was one of the best I have seen from start to finish, up there along with Modano.

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Humm...

Where to start.... Their best D-Men (defensive D-Men...) were possibly Joe Cirella and Curtis Lechsychin... who was 20 years old. Had quite a few offense specialists (Petit, Brown and Fogarty), over-the-hill players who were never that great at defense (Marois, Picard) and spare parts. Steven Finn was a decent 6th D-Men pushed on 2nd pairing duties and the reminder were not bona fide NHL'ers.

So they basically had 4 players (Petit, Brown, Fogarty and Picard) who should really only have take one spot in the lineup (Brown was traded afterwards, but whatever).

I mean, just :

Cirella - Marois
Wolanin - Petit
Finn - Smyth/Gronstrand/Picard (possibly one of them as a 7th D-men)

Would have made more sense. It's not good, and Joe Cirella as a 1st D-Men is downright horrible, but it's still somewhat functionnal. Michel Bergeron never really believed in the usefulness of defensive play, though.

An oft-forgotten point, though : Adams division was really good at that point.

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As others have said, their defense and goaltending sucked.

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Nordiques already used seven goalies: Ron Tugnutt, Greg Millen, Scott Gordon , Mario Brunetta, Sergei Mylnikov, John Tanner, Stephane Fiset.
Repeat this achievement could only be Blues in 2003
With this defense the they should have been able to play two at a time, lol

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Hard to believe Mylnikov was considered the best goaltender in the whole of the USSR for a while.

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Hard to believe Mylnikov was considered the best goaltender in the whole of the USSR for a while.
Of course conversely with that goaltending they should have been allowed to play three defensemen.....

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Hard to believe Mylnikov was considered the best goaltender in the whole of the USSR for a while.

Was he the best for a while? Mylnikov was quite good in the 1987 Canada Cup. That's about it.

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