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04-30-2013, 06:32 PM
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would much rather see Horton sitting out than Soderberg

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would much rather see Horton sitting out than Soderberg
would much rather see them both in. What's the point of having this much top 9 talent if you're gonna scratch guys to dress an extra 4th line guy?

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would much rather see them both in. What's the point of having this much top 9 talent if you're gonna scratch guys to dress an extra 4th line guy?
Well because right now Soderberg is a fringe 4th line player. Talent is fine but his game isn't ready and it's only going to get worse in the playoffs.

As for Horton sure play him, and he does have 1st line talent, but we all know how often we see that.

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Soderberg is completely irrelevant on the ice. That's a smart scratch.
Gotta disagree, bp. I think Soderberg will be miles ahead of Dogman in the playoffs. Slow, dumb and clumsy doesn't really work in the playoffs.
True, Soderberg has some crazy legs and timing is off, but seriously, he just got here. He needs to play in order for him to help us. Otherwise, what was the point in rushing him to get here?

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Soderberg is completely irrelevant on the ice. That's a smart scratch.
Moreso than Thornton?

The B's biggest problem has been scoring. Thornton doesn't help you there, and there is no fighting in playoffs, so who possesses more ability to score, Soderberg or Thornton? Also, Soderberg was one of the only guys who seems willing to park his butt in front of the net regularly. Thornton hasn't been fighting, he doesn't hit, and he doesn't score.

Why is he in over Soderberg again?

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Gotta disagree, bp. I think Soderberg will be miles ahead of Dogman in the playoffs. Slow, dumb and clumsy doesn't really work in the playoffs.
True, Soderberg has some crazy legs and timing is off, but seriously, he just got here. He needs to play in order for him to help us. Otherwise, what was the point in rushing him to get here?
You don't play the guy just because you rushed him over here if he's not your best option. He loses his legs halfway thru every shift, and he doesn't make any impact when he's on the ice. Just because he was the star of a lesser league and we took a gamble on him isn't justification to play him when it counts.

Personally I wouldn't start Daugavins or Thornton over Peverley. But you have to admit Daugs was one of our best forwards this weekend. I think CJ could defend playing him at least in game 1. And absolutely over soderberg. I'd play Thornton over soderberg. But again, pevs should be in there.

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Moreso than Thornton?

The B's biggest problem has been scoring. Thornton doesn't help you there, and there is no fighting in playoffs, so who possesses more ability to score, Soderberg or Thornton? Also, Soderberg was one of the only guys who seems willing to park his butt in front of the net regularly. Thornton hasn't been fighting, he doesn't hit, and he doesn't score.

Why is he in over Soderberg again?
To me that's not really the debate.

Thornton is in there to do what he does best (or used to). Maybe it's wise to get him in early to set a tone since the leafs have a few goons, who knows. But the issue is Peverley IMO. I would not scratch him for Daugs. If I was CJ and needed to gets Daugs in, I'd scratch Thornton.

Again though to me, Soderberg is a scratch either way. He's not doing anything for us, and I don't think he'll hold up in the playoffs.

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Gotta disagree, bp. I think Soderberg will be miles ahead of Dogman in the playoffs. Slow, dumb and clumsy doesn't really work in the playoffs.
True, Soderberg has some crazy legs and timing is off, but seriously, he just got here. He needs to play in order for him to help us. Otherwise, what was the point in rushing him to get here?
Daugavins is not slow

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To me that's not really the debate.

Thornton is in there to do what he does best (or used to). Maybe it's wise to get him in early to set a tone since the leafs have a few goons, who knows. But the issue is Peverley IMO. I would not scratch him for Daugs. If I was CJ and needed to gets Daugs in, I'd scratch Thornton.

Again though to me, Soderberg is a scratch either way. He's not doing anything for us, and I don't think he'll hold up in the playoffs.
Well, to me, the issue is that every guy you have mentioned is "not doing anything for us", and if that's the case, talent and the potential to do something should win out. That means Pevs and Soderberg are in, and Thornton and Daug are out.

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You don't play the guy just because you rushed him over here if he's not your best option. He loses his legs halfway thru every shift, and he doesn't make any impact when he's on the ice. Just because he was the star of a lesser league and we took a gamble on him isn't justification to play him when it counts.

Personally I wouldn't start Daugavins or Thornton over Peverley. But you have to admit Daugs was one of our best forwards this weekend. I think CJ could defend playing him at least in game 1. And absolutely over soderberg. I'd play Thornton over soderberg. But again, pevs should be in there.
The question needs be asked in reverse, why rush him over here if you aren't going to play him?

They rushed him over here because they thought he would bring something to the team. If you're scratching him over Pevs, ok I can see going with guy who has the experience. But scratching him over Daugavins or Thornton just seems ridiculous and I don't care how good Daugavins was this weekend.

Thornton 45 gms 3g 4a
Daugavins 25gms 1g 3a
Soderberg 6gms 0g 2a

Production wise there isn't a huge margin between these guys. Why not go with the talent.

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The question needs be asked in reverse, why rush him over here if you aren't going to play him?

They rushed him over here because they thought he would bring something to the team. If you're scratching him over Pevs, ok I can see going with guy who has the experience. But scratching him over Daugavins or Thornton just seems ridiculous and I don't care how good Daugavins was this weekend.

Thornton 45 gms 3g 4a
Daugavins 25gms 1g 3a
Soderberg 6gms 0g 2a

Production wise there isn't a huge margin between these guys. Why not go with the talent.
Because this is what Clode does, and these stupid desiscions on who he plays and where they play should be expected by now.

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Moreso than Thornton?

The B's biggest problem has been scoring. Thornton doesn't help you there, and there is no fighting in playoffs, so who possesses more ability to score, Soderberg or Thornton? Also, Soderberg was one of the only guys who seems willing to park his butt in front of the net regularly. Thornton hasn't been fighting, he doesn't hit, and he doesn't score.

Why is he in over Soderberg again?
Agreed, love ST, but I`d have no issue with him watching, whether that be for the full series, or a handful of games and see what the temperature of the series is, and let`s be honest, there`s usually not much call for fisticuffs during the playoffs which has me thinking, if Carlyle dresses Orr and McLaren, it`s a huge bonus for the B`s

Carlyle is in a bit of a tough situation there, both of those players, as little as they contribute in any other area, were somewhat instrumental in creating a new identity for the Leafs, but in the heat of playoff battle, would anyone here trust either if they were wearing Bruin jersey`s?? Not this fan

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If anyone sits (other than Peverley since it's been rumored he's not playing), it should be Thornton. Fighting is at a minimum and you don't really dress this guy for his hockey skills. Sit him and dress Soda...

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Thornton and Peverley (long time coming for him) get to sit game 1. Game 2 I'd put Pevs back in over the dog (provided dog doesn't do something to force his way back in)

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If anyone sits (other than Peverley since it's been rumored he's not playing), it should be Thornton. Fighting is at a minimum and you don't really dress this guy for his hockey skills. Sit him and dress Soda...

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Thornton and Peverley (long time coming for him) get to sit game 1. Game 2 I'd put Pevs back in over the dog (provided dog doesn't do something to force his way back in)
And Thornton`s speed or lack of is concerning

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The question needs be asked in reverse, why rush him over here if you aren't going to play him?

They rushed him over here because they thought he would bring something to the team. If you're scratching him over Pevs, ok I can see going with guy who has the experience. But scratching him over Daugavins or Thornton just seems ridiculous and I don't care how good Daugavins was this weekend.

Thornton 45 gms 3g 4a
Daugavins 25gms 1g 3a
Soderberg 6gms 0g 2a

Production wise there isn't a huge margin between these guys. Why not go with the talent.
I don't understand why "going with the talent" should be the prevailing wisdom. There are plenty of talented players who don't see the ice because of poor defense, poor conditioning, etc. Soderberg isn't doing anything. His "talent" is reason enough to be optimistic about his future here, but that doesn't mean he's one of the top 12 forwards to help you win TONIGHT.

And so what if they rushed him over here...he hasn't done anything. Are they supposed to play him just because they made an effort to get him? He's here for the long haul now and I'm sure they're happy about that, but that doesn't mean he's ready for the NHL playoffs.

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And Thornton`s speed or lack of is concerning
Yup. Besides that, he's someone you inject into the series if you need a spark, not a must dress. My fear is that CJ is off the reservation because so many players on this team have given a half assed effort for the last 2 months, that he's going to roll his 4, and Thornton will get a decent amount of ice time. If that happens, this series is going to go south real fast.

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I don't understand why "going with the talent" should be the prevailing wisdom. There are plenty of talented players who don't see the ice because of poor defense, poor conditioning, etc. Soderberg isn't doing anything. His "talent" is reason enough to be optimistic about his future here, but that doesn't mean he's one of the top 12 forwards to help you win TONIGHT.

And so what if they rushed him over here...he hasn't done anything. Are they supposed to play him just because they made an effort to get him? He's here for the long haul now and I'm sure they're happy about that, but that doesn't mean he's ready for the NHL playoffs.
Because even with him adjusting to the NA game, and learning a new system, he brings more upside and potential than giving a guy who is nothing more than a fighter that spot. It's pointless to have Thornton playing because his skill set isn't really needed right now. If Toronto takes liberties (which I don't think will happen) in game one and Thornton is sitting, they can always bring him in for game two. He's just not a guy you have to dress during the playoffs because he ties up a spot that could be used more effectively.

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Because even with him adjusting to the NA game, and learning a new system, he brings more upside and potential than giving a guy who is nothing more than a fighter that spot. It's pointless to have Thornton playing because his skill set isn't really needed right now. If Toronto takes liberties (which I don't think will happen) in game one and Thornton is sitting, they can always bring him in for game two. He's just not a guy you have to dress during the playoffs because he ties up a spot that could be used more effectively.
Agreed, nobody can convince me that a team who is/has been struggling offensively, should be sitting anyone with some offensive skill regardless if that skill hasn`t necessarily translated into pts yet. I`ve watched him doing some really positive things in the offensive zone, and IMO, it`s more about timing/chemistry than anything else

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Well, to me, the issue is that every guy you have mentioned is "not doing anything for us", and if that's the case, talent and the potential to do something should win out. That means Pevs and Soderberg are in, and Thornton and Daug are out.
Talent and potential doesn't win out if it could hurt you more than help you. IMO the chances Soderberg has a defensive lapse or a tired shift that could cost you a goal FAR outweighs the same thing happening with any of the other three. Enough so that he'd need to make up for it with added offensive promise, and he hasn't shown he can do that.

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Agreed, nobody can convince me that a team who is/has been struggling offensively, should be sitting anyone with some offensive skill regardless if that skill hasn`t necessarily translated into pts yet. I`ve watched him doing some really positive things in the offensive zone, and IMO, it`s more about timing/chemistry than anything else
Exactly. The answer to not being able to score more than a goal or two a game isn't to give Shawn Thornton more TOI. To even suggest he starts over someone with more offensive upside is ridiculous. The real issue is that Julien is singularly focused on goal prevention and he'd be happy to win 1-0 every game. This team has shown a large enough sample size this year to convince me that isn't going to happen. They don't play well enough defensively to rely solely on Rask to stand on his head. They need to score more, and the only way to do that is to dress your best offensive players, even if it means sacrificing some d.

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I think we'll see Yeti make an appearance in this series at some point, but for game 1 I don't have any problem with CJ letting him experience his first NHL Playoff game from the press box. Having Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday without a game scheduled gives the B's some time to work with Yeti in practice on what to do and where to be. In the meantime Dog-man looked pretty good over the weekend so why not reward the guy by giving him some ice time.

As for Pevs, I'm not sure why he's lined up to be a healthy scratch tonight, but for some reason he's in CJ's doghouse.

I get that CJ wanted to go back to the lineup he had to start the season with the exception of the third line now that Horton's back. What started as Bourque - Kelly - Pevs, could have been clearly upgraded to Pevs - Kelly - Jagr... Maybe CJ'll change things up during the morning skate.

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Because even with him adjusting to the NA game, and learning a new system, he brings more upside and potential than giving a guy who is nothing more than a fighter that spot. It's pointless to have Thornton playing because his skill set isn't really needed right now. If Toronto takes liberties (which I don't think will happen) in game one and Thornton is sitting, they can always bring him in for game two. He's just not a guy you have to dress during the playoffs because he ties up a spot that could be used more effectively.
I just said it in my last post but as a direct reply to you, I'd tell you that you can't dress a guy based on promise if you think he could kill you with defensive lapses and sub-par conditioning. Soderberg wanders all over the ice and he's gassed halfway through every shift. This is why you go with a guy who has less promise but gives you confidence he won't kill you.

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Last 2 games of the season, Dog & Thorny looked good & did everything asked of them. Last 2 games of the season Soderberg looked a little lost, slow & even tired.

I'm not saying I agree with Claude at all, especially not with the idea of scratching Dougie, but like someone else said, it's about who is going to play the best TONIGHT! You don't just sit back & watch while some guys are making mistakes all over the ice & not contributing at all, thinking that it will pay off down the road. There isn't much "down the road" if you lose a couple games early (2011 excepted.)

But that applies for benching talent like Soderberg & Peverley, where I think their potential contributions can definitely be made up throughout the lineup. With Dougie, however, I just don't see any d-men on this team that bring what he brings & I think you should throw him out there & give him some time, especially for the PP.
And if he looks lost or whatever, just play Chara & Seids heavy minutes in Game 1 & you have 2 days off before Game 2 & can switch then.
But it looks like McQuaid is playing no matter what, so moot point.

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I would expect Thornton and Daugavins over Peverley and Soderberg. In the trenches is where the games will be won. In the last couple of games, Daugavins was playing good playoff hockey, as was Thornton.
Peverley surely will play in the playoffs, but Claude seems to be almost in despair about his game lately.
I doubt Soderberg will play much. He didn't make much of an impact in the non-playoff games, though he flashed potential at times. He's willing to get hit, but he's not an initiator, and the lack of physicality would not have impressed Claude. Can't see Claude being too eager to suit him up.
What I don't get is playing Redden over Hamilton. Redden was better than I expected, but Hamilton is bigger, stronger, younger and more physical, and with just as good if not better vision and puck skills. He was almost always one of the top 4 this season. I don't get sitting him, if that's what Claude does.

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