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04-15-2013, 11:51 AM
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I think it just as likely that AA thinks that there is more availability for adding talent in the right field or 3rd base position, then there is at second base.

If Lawrie can continue to play well at second base, that gives them a great bat and solid defense at second. They can now work to bring in a good veteran player in either RF or 3b which is a heck of a lot easier then upgrading your 2nd base position.

Lets see if Jbat can actually play 3rd base well, lets see if lawrie can play second base, why not?

This team if it gets rolling fine should be able to coast into at least the wildcard with the talent it has. Lets see if we can possibly open up some positions that people can play, it lets us open up our roster to moves.

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On another note, Kevin Pillar (sleeper prospect) and Deck McGuire are off to red hot starts for New Hampshire.
I really like Pillar. I've been pumping his tires as a potential utility guy in the long run for the last year or so.

Haven't posted in a while so I thought I'd put in my 0.02 on the Lawrie thing. Short term, it's a brilliant move. As soon as reyes comes back though you would have to think Bautista would be pressuring management to put him back in right field. That's where he feels he can help the team the most and unless they're prepared to bring up Gose, right field is where he should be stay.

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I wonder if management thinks that Gose will force himself into a job by the time Reyes comes back though, in which case he moves to RF permanently.

Either way, I still think this is a panic move and I'm not a fan of it.

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Tonight's @BlueJays lineup: Bonifacio-RF Cabrera-LF Arencibia-C Encarnacion-1b Lind-DH DeRosa-3b Rasmus-CF Izturis-2b Kawasaki-SS Buehrle-P

Crap, Bautista not in the line-up. I have no idea why.

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Playing 2nd base involves so much more catch/release, timing, and poise. I could be wrong, and he could mature as an athlete in the near future, but I can just see Lawrie rushing too many plays at the bag.

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I think it just as likely that AA thinks that there is more availability for adding talent in the right field or 3rd base position, then there is at second base.

If Lawrie can continue to play well at second base, that gives them a great bat and solid defense at second. They can now work to bring in a good veteran player in either RF or 3b which is a heck of a lot easier then upgrading your 2nd base position.

Lets see if Jbat can actually play 3rd base well, lets see if lawrie can play second base, why not?

This team if it gets rolling fine should be able to coast into at least the wildcard with the talent it has. Lets see if we can possibly open up some positions that people can play, it lets us open up our roster to moves.
Looking at the league third base seems to be the weak period. Lawrie has the capability to be a top 5 offensive third basemen. Personally i'm happy with him at 3rd - but I won't complain with the move to 2nd. Being able to play 2 positions instead of one is definitely not a bad thing. If he does play second base - I wonder what Bautista's thoughts are on staying at 3rd base permanently

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04-15-2013, 02:07 PM
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Umm... Lawrie is coming back up?

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Ugh, back to the 8 man bullpen. Hey Gibbons, how about letting guys like Dickey and Morrow pitch more when they are pitching well instead of overworking a tired bullpen.

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Tonight's @BlueJays lineup: Bonifacio-RF Cabrera-LF Arencibia-C Encarnacion-1b Lind-DH DeRosa-3b Rasmus-CF Izturis-2b Kawasaki-SS Buehrle-P

Crap, Bautista not in the line-up. I have no idea why.
That's weird, maybe personal reasons?

Interesting to see Arencibia in the 3 spot.

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That's weird, maybe personal reasons?

Interesting to see Arencibia in the 3 spot.
I threw up in my mouth a bit when I saw it.

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Ugh, back to the 8 man bullpen. Hey Gibbons, how about letting guys like Dickey and Morrow pitch more when they are pitching well instead of overworking a tired bullpen.
I don't like the 8man pen either but you'd be fooling yourself into thinking Ortiz will have an impact on the team at all. He's simply here for mop-up duty.

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I threw up in my mouth a bit when I saw it.
Yeah....yuk.

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Umm... Lawrie is coming back up?

Or not.



Ugh, back to the 8 man bullpen. Hey Gibbons, how about letting guys like Dickey and Morrow pitch more when they are pitching well instead of overworking a tired bullpen.
Gibbons just really doesnt like going over 100 pitches for his starters. Only let it happen twice with Happ and Dickey.

IMO may not be a bad thing with JJ and Morrow. Beurhle and Dickey I'd say otherwise. Happ, not sure yet.

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Doubt the team would do all that to make room for Sierra who is likely nothing more than a bench player.
I don't disagree one bit. However, it is evident that the organization views Moises Sierra far differently than the fanbase does.

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I threw up in my mouth a bit when I saw it.
maybe hell strike out less batting third...



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I don't disagree one bit. However, it is evident that the organization views Moises Sierra far differently than the fanbase does.
How so? I mean, he seems to have a little pop, he's got a hell of an arm and decent footspeed, but he strikes out too much and is prone to mental errors in the field and base paths both. So he's a pretty darn good AAA player, but a likely bench player in the bigs. What have you seen from the Jays to make you think they believe he's more than that?

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I don't like the 8man pen either but you'd be fooling yourself into thinking Ortiz will have an impact on the team at all. He's simply here for mop-up duty.



Yeah....yuk.
Which is why its absolutely pointless wasting a 25 roster spot for that guy, especially when it could be avoided if they just let their starters go a bit deeper into the games when they are able. And they are losing a useful player in Casper Wells who could help the team for a guy that will do nothing except turn a lost game into a bigger blowout.

And the team is hurting. You've got guys playing different positions, you have Bautista out of the line-up for whatever reason and now you are shortening it even more.

The team needs to stop babying these pitchers so much. They're not young kids without much innings under their belt. They are legit proven pitchers capable of handling a starter's load and should be able to go 110-115 pitches without a worry. You shouldn't be pulling the pitchers because they are almost at 100 pitches and end up over using the bullpen.

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I don't disagree one bit. However, it is evident that the organization views Moises Sierra far differently than the fanbase does.
Yes it is. And if they didn't view players differently then the fan base, multiple players, like Jose Bautista for starters wouldn't be the player he is for the Jays today.

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How so? I mean, he seems to have a little pop, he's got a hell of an arm and decent footspeed, but he strikes out too much and is prone to mental errors in the field and base paths both. So he's a pretty darn good AAA player, but a likely bench player in the bigs. What have you seen from the Jays to make you think they believe he's more than that?
AA dropped the Nelson Cruz last year I think on Sierra so that's where people have started thinking Sierra could be something. I don't think AA made that comp as Sierra could become Cruz but has that similar power and arm tool (his power in-game hasn't been that good).

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maybe hell strike out less batting third...


I'm calling for the golden sombrero.

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I wonder who will do it first this year, Rasmus or Arencibia.

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Which is why its absolutely pointless wasting a 25 roster spot for that guy, especially when it could be avoided if they just let their starters go a bit deeper into the games when they are able. And they are losing a useful player in Casper Wells who could help the team for a guy that will do nothing except turn a lost game into a bigger blowout.

And the team is hurting. You've got guys playing different positions, you have Bautista out of the line-up for whatever reason and now you are shortening it even more.
I can't disagree with that. It's a good point.

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I wonder who will do it first this year, Rasmus or Arencibia.
Didn't Jose Bautista do that the other day (when Mendoza was pitching)?

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Good news guys... I hope:

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Reyes found out that his left ankle injury was a little less serious than first feared, and that he may be able to return in about eight weeks. The Blue Jays had originally estimated that their shortstop was expected to miss three months.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/da...ack-in-8-weeks

According to the Knobler.

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Back spasms for Bautista. More details to come later.
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Better news today for Jose Reyes, who could be back in 8 weeks, rather than the 3 months the Jays first feared. http://cbsprt.co/ZwtQIJ

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How so? I mean, he seems to have a little pop, he's got a hell of an arm and decent footspeed, but he strikes out too much and is prone to mental errors in the field and base paths both. So he's a pretty darn good AAA player, but a likely bench player in the bigs. What have you seen from the Jays to make you think they believe he's more than that?
Dwayne Murphy and Chad Mattola have both commented on him, and have said he may be the best raw power hitter in the organization. Scouts always rave about his arm, and justifiably so. AA compared him to Nelson Cruz, as Nasty Nazem mentioned. They've gushed about the kid for a few years now, even prior to making his debut last year. We see a fumbling individual who ignores signs, and has no tool box whatsoever, and they seem to see potential. That's just the feeling I get.

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