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04-15-2013, 02:22 AM
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He left the Ducks as a shell. A team in complete disarray with little or nothing left.

Is that what you want for us?
I'm not a big proponent of Burke at all. I think you are selling him short though. It went bad for the Ducks when they decided to trade away Pronger for Lupul, Sbisa and picks. They made the playoffs every year he was the GM including the year he left a couple months into the season. He also made the playoffs his final 4 years with Vancouver.

It is funny too that the year he gets fired in Toronto for not making the playoffs the team he built ends up making it anyway.

There could be worse options than Brian Burke

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04-15-2013, 02:31 AM
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Nobody worth a sniff is coming here to be Kevin Lowe's lackey.

So forget about all the Nill/Burke talk.

I doubt Lindy Ruff would come here to coach this circus either.
Sadly, this is true. In order for us to bring a competent GM that will change this teams culture of losing, Tambo and Lowe both must go. This whole debate is pointless if Tambo gets fired and Lowe stays because then we will bring someone else to be Lowe's puppet (MacT).

I don't know about Ruff not wanting to come here though, if he gets the opportunity and the talent this team has, he might but who knows. We need to focus on getting rid of Tambo and Lowe first.

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04-15-2013, 02:34 AM
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I just want to see a change
Like I said I think Burke is a good option but I'd be happy with other guys too like the mentioned assistant gm's
Obviously don't want someone from within the oilers org

Some of you are really selling Burke short he's not that bad he's made mistakes for sure but that's a given because he takes risks some of them end up being bad moves
But he's done a bunch of good stuff for sure

I've been so frustrated with the team as of late
I really hope coaching and management do not stay the same for next year

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04-15-2013, 03:42 AM
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Enough with this Burke talk. He ain't coming..

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Someone posted this in one of the threads on the main board...

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Actually not true. He was going to take offers this last time around, but his wife was ill and he decided it was best to stay in the area with her.

That said, I'd love Nill over Holland. It's time for a new voice, even if it's maybe only slightly different. The Oilers would be making a great move in hiring Nill.
If true, I hope the Oilers could get him.

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04-15-2013, 04:47 AM
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- Anyone who doesn't take 3 years to analyze his team.

- Anyone who likes gritty players

- Anyone who likes players that crash the net

- Anyone who likes players that are a pain in the ass to play against.

- Anyone who likes energy players

- Anyone who will provide a real supporting cast for our young upcoming stars
Brian Burke is basically who you just described.

Beyond Burke and Nill the pickings are slim and trying to hire someone who's a newbie GM who's going to have to learn on the job is asking for trouble.

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04-15-2013, 04:55 AM
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If we bring in Burke I like to have a strong asst. GM to kind of watch dog him.

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I for one wouldn't mind Howson, IMO he made the most of what he had in Columbus and besides the Gaborik deal, that is his team that went from dead last to a playoff contender this year.

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04-15-2013, 06:36 AM
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I wonder if Columbus really is the real deal or just a one year blip like the Florida Panthers last year. No one is really calling Tallon a genius this year.

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04-15-2013, 06:53 AM
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Burke would be better suited as a VP of Operations at this point. He should be the guy who hires our next GM.

I think...if/when we were to (finally) get a new GM...it has to be part of an entire clean sweep...and once the destruction of this front office is complete...Burke would head up the task force to find the new GM.

I have no arguments against some of the candidates already submitted in the thread. Burke would want to talk to ALL those guys.

Id add another to the list. A bit of a curious one, in fact:

John Weisbrod.

He's a good possibility to be a GM...somewhere/someday....and the few people who know about him might say its not his time yet...but...his smarts are not an issue whatsoever. And if its just a matter of waiting for a guy to "pay his dues"....well...thats never stopped us before.


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04-15-2013, 07:14 AM
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It is so frustrating to know that there is absolutely nothing short of Katz selling the team that is going to change the management team. Yes, maybe we get a shuffle, but the people making the decisions are staying.

On an optimistic note, I think that Tambo is such a bumbling fool and a terrible communicator that even replacing him with someone internally would be a good step. The one thing we don't know, is how much of Tambo's ability to execute is holding us back. Maybe the management team wants to make the changes we all know we need and Tambo just can't get it done.

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04-15-2013, 08:01 AM
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When do you fire Tamby? After the season and before the playoffs start? I like the
Botterill angle, Burke would make the Oilers all about him. Just like he did with the Leafs.
I have said it before Kevin Lowe is to the Oilers what Bobby Clarke is to the Flyers. He is never going to get fired.


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04-15-2013, 08:23 AM
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Someone who is not from NA.


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04-15-2013, 08:49 AM
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1 - I do not think tambellini is in real trouble at this time.
2 - It will be MacT with Howson there to actually do gm stuff.
3 - Woe is us.

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04-15-2013, 09:28 AM
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Burke won't come here because (among other reasons), Klowe and co won't give him the autonomy that he would demand.

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04-15-2013, 09:42 AM
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My requirement for the replacement is grabbing a guy who has been in our situation. Multiple high 1st rounders consecutively and has had playoff success. The idea is, they have seen first hand what you need to surround your young studs with to have success and also sustain it.

With that said, my guy for our next GM job is Pittsburgh Penguins Asst. GM Jason Botterill. His job for the Penguins is a little of everything. Here is a small blurb of what he does:



The guy is also tasked with knowing the CBA inside and out.

He's also an Edmonton raised guy.

While people might be like, 'Rookie GM!!', look at Marc Bergevin(sp?) of the Habs. Rookie GM from a successful Chicago franchise, and now sitting 3rd in the East. This is not even a year removed from picking Galchenyuk.

Botterill to me is an easy choice. Ray Shero has been a hell of a GM creating a Pittsburgh Penguins roster that is not only deep in the NHL level but also the minor league level. They win or draw even on every trade, and they always have good enough role players. Botterill is Shero's right hand man. He's also one of the most promising young minds in hockey. I'd love for us to finally get ahead of something and grab a guy like him. He knows what it takes to create a winner and then sustain it. We need someone like him.
So Rick Olyzck.

Botterill seems like a good assistant not a guy you want running the show.

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04-15-2013, 09:43 AM
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As long as Lowe is at the top does it really matter? What we really need is someone to be contacting Katz directly, going above Lowe.

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04-15-2013, 09:48 AM
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People saying Brian Burke, they have noticed the contracts he's given out right?

Grabovski, Lupul, Komisarek, Connolly, and hell even Phanuef at some times.

Now look at Toronto's biggest holes when he got there. #1 C and #1 goalie. They are still needs.

The guy is decent at making teams tougher, and has an good eye for talent. But apart from that?

His ability to negotiate contracts means we'll probably lose quality young talent with the amount of money we'll probably have to give to our young stars. He's shown no real ability to fill holes in Toronto.

I don't exactly see why people want him so much. Especially over a talent up and comer like Botterill. Marc Bergevin has shown how inexperience doesn't have to be a factor if you have hockey smarts.
My biggest problem is Burke's ego. He puts players in positions they shouldn't be in. Can't get Brad Richards, that's okay I'll sign Tim Conolly to be our #1 center. Can't get any good UFA's that's okay I'll pay my own players way more then they are worth and I'll sign 3rd liners to 2nd line contracts. Thinks signing NCAA players allows him to trade away picks.

For all the good he can do he's a nightmare in a lot of other areas.

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04-15-2013, 09:50 AM
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I'm not a big proponent of Burke at all. I think you are selling him short though. It went bad for the Ducks when they decided to trade away Pronger for Lupul, Sbisa and picks. They made the playoffs every year he was the GM including the year he left a couple months into the season. He also made the playoffs his final 4 years with Vancouver.

It is funny too that the year he gets fired in Toronto for not making the playoffs the team he built ends up making it anyway.

There could be worse options than Brian Burke
That's just it though where does he leave teams? Toronto might be in a playoff spot now, but are they next year? Do they have a pipeline that is going to keep feeding into the system?

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MacT is next in line /Thread.

Those of you hoping for Burke, Nill or somebody else from outside the organization obviously don't understand the nepotistic nature of those at the top.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see Bucky replace Krueger and for Smith to be his associate.

I don't see Tambellini being let go right now anyway. Lowe and Co. will give him a vote of confidence based on the team having played meaningful games in April (what a freaking joke) while ignoring the fact that April in a shortened season like this one is like January in a normal season and ignoring the fact that the record is pretty much the same that it was 40 games into last season and the goal differential is even worse.
They will point to Hall and Gagner's improvement along with Dubnyk but ignore RNH and Eberle's regressions along with no meaningful contributions from any veterans.
So in other words, another offseason with no accountability for those at the top. Maybe the coach will be scapegoated again, that's about it.


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04-15-2013, 10:26 AM
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Burke won't come here because (among other reasons), Klowe and co won't give him the autonomy that he would demand.
I was waiting for someone to post this.

Burke is a one man show. He doesn't like authority and will not accept direction or the need for consensus. If you look at the Oilers org, this is exactly the opposite of what they have built. The Oilers have hired management specialists and people like Mact + Howson for sober second thoughts.

It may not be the best organizational structure but it is one that Katz wanted. It is consistent in the way all large corporations are structured. Burke does not fit into this very well and I do not know of very many NHL structures that he would be a good fit. The days of the gunslinger making deals are over as this is now very big business.

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I was waiting for someone to post this.

Burke is a one man show. He doesn't like authority and will not accept direction or the need for consensus. If you look at the Oilers org, this is exactly the opposite of what they have built. The Oilers have hired management specialists and people like Mact + Howson for sober second thoughts.

It may not be the best organizational structure but it is one that Katz wanted. It is consistent in the way all large corporations are structured. Burke does not fit into this very well and I do not know of very many NHL structures that he would be a good fit. The days of the gunslinger making deals are over as this is now very big business.
I can't think of an organization with that type of structure that is actually competitive. The ones that are at the top of the standings are the ones where you have to be accountable. There is no accountability in Edmonton.

The Oilers need to switch models. "The Old Boys Club" needs to go.

Time to bring in fresh faces, and fresh ideas.

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That's just it though where does he leave teams? Toronto might be in a playoff spot now, but are they next year? Do they have a pipeline that is going to keep feeding into the system?
When Burke took over Toronto had no prospects. They are now actually in good shape with Rielly, Biggs, Finn, Percy, Ross and they have other projects like Colborne and other depth players also. The NHL roster is one of the youngest in the league. They are in decent shape for the future.

I do strongly believe that Tambo is fired....whoever we bring in I hope he is smart guy and is strong enough to put his blueprint on the team instead of becoming a lacky of upper management

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Burke won't be here because KLowe won't hire him. I assume they are still holding grudges against each other.

I don't know of many options for his replacement but I do believe he needs to be replaced. The sooner the better, preferably before the draft so Tambo can't screw anything else up.

Keep Tambo for the draft lottery so he can work his magic than fire him before the draft.

I just hope they don't promote from within and K Lowe either gets fired with him or lets the new GM run with it and doesn't use him as a puppet like he did with Tambo... prob won't happen.

Who ever they do hire...they have a ton of work to do..

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