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04-15-2013, 10:43 PM
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Why would the Oilers want to help out the Cannucks and take on all that money and cap space? You're very optimistic, I'll give you that. Why would Lou waive his NTC and go to Edmonton as well? Let me guess, his favourite NHL team growing up?
I was mostly just kidding (original was Yakupov + Hemsky for Luongo + Booth + Ballard + 1st).

But if we want to analyze this a bit:
-Luongo would waive because he wants to be a starter, he doesn't care where.
-Add Raymond from the Canucks
-Switch Hemsky to Horcoff and remove the Canucks 1st, add Oilers 2nd

TO EDM: Luongo + Booth + Ballard + Raymond
To VAN: Yakupov + Horcoff (to be bought out) + 2nd

From someone earlier:
Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Gagner-Eberle
?????-Horcoff-?????
Smyth-?????-Brown

?????-Smid
Petry-J.Schultz
N.Schultz-Fistric

Dubnyk-?????

Becomes:
Hall - RNH - Raymond
Booth - Gagner - Eberle
Paajarvi - ???? - Hemsky
Smyth - Belanger - Brown

Ballard - Smid
Schultz - Schultz
Petry - Fistric

Luongo
Dubnyk

...with about $3M available for a 3rd line centre and spares.

I think that's a playoff roster...even a contender.

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04-15-2013, 10:48 PM
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RNH will be back, better than ever. If I'm running the Oilers I'm not concerned about the center position, I believe in RNH.
RNH can't center our top two lines, and if Gagner is moved, that leaves some sort of combination of Horcoff, Smithson, Belanger or Lander as our second line center. Lander might be that someday. Smithson is a fourth liner at best. Belanger can go to hell. Horcoff is a third line, shutdown center. No more. The weakness isn't on our top line, its in our depth.

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04-15-2013, 10:50 PM
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And they wouldn't have traded Hackett...meaning that they are going with Harding and Kuepner(sp?).

IMO, Backstrom is as good as gone.
Kuemper is actually a solid goalie. Maybe not ready for a full season, but good enough to use as a 1B if they bring in a decent 1A. I'm honestly not sure if Backstrom will be back in the NHL next year, he might be homeward bound.

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04-15-2013, 10:52 PM
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I was mostly just kidding (original was Yakupov + Hemsky for Luongo + Booth + Ballard + 1st).

But if we want to analyze this a bit:
-Luongo would waive because he wants to be a starter, he doesn't care where.
-Add Raymond from the Canucks
-Switch Hemsky to Horcoff and remove the Canucks 1st, add Oilers 2nd

TO EDM: Luongo + Booth + Ballard + Raymond
To VAN: Yakupov + Horcoff (to be bought out) + 2nd

From someone earlier:
Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Gagner-Eberle
?????-Horcoff-?????
Smyth-?????-Brown

?????-Smid
Petry-J.Schultz
N.Schultz-Fistric

Dubnyk-?????

Becomes:
Hall - RNH - Raymond
Booth - Gagner - Eberle
Paajarvi - ???? - Hemsky
Smyth - Belanger - Brown

Ballard - Smid
Schultz - Schultz
Petry - Fistric

Luongo
Dubnyk

...with about $3M available for a 3rd line centre and spares.

I think that's a playoff roster...even a contender.
The price on Luongo should be a simple "yep, we'll take him". No way any deal involving Yakupov gets done with Lou. Don`t get me wrong, he`s still an awesome goalie, but I`d only take that contract if we gave the Canucks Dubnyk, and we got a little something extra.

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04-15-2013, 10:53 PM
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I wonder if Mac would be interested in a player like Hartnell from the Flyers......as a Flyer fan, the Oilers have some pretty juicy young players over there.....

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3-way

Edm
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2nd 2013 NJ
2nd 2014 NJ

Van
1st Edm or Paajarvi
Horcoff (to be bought out)

NJ
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04-15-2013, 11:01 PM
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Eberle for Gardiner!!




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04-16-2013, 12:01 AM
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I wonder if Mac would be interested in a player like Hartnell from the Flyers......as a Flyer fan, the Oilers have some pretty juicy young players over there.....
As a neutral fan I can't see why Edmonton would give up a young player for one that's so much older than their core - Hartnell won't be the same player in 5 years. Simmonds would definitely add that missing element to their game though.

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04-16-2013, 12:08 AM
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RNH will be back, better than ever. If I'm running the Oilers I'm not concerned about the center position, I believe in RNH.
Yeah we'll just throw him out there for 40 mins a game.

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04-16-2013, 12:17 AM
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I was mostly just kidding (original was Yakupov + Hemsky for Luongo + Booth + Ballard + 1st).

But if we want to analyze this a bit:
-Luongo would waive because he wants to be a starter, he doesn't care where.
-Add Raymond from the Canucks
-Switch Hemsky to Horcoff and remove the Canucks 1st, add Oilers 2nd

TO EDM: Luongo + Booth + Ballard + Raymond
To VAN: Yakupov + Horcoff (to be bought out) + 2nd

From someone earlier:
Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Gagner-Eberle
?????-Horcoff-?????
Smyth-?????-Brown

?????-Smid
Petry-J.Schultz
N.Schultz-Fistric

Dubnyk-?????

Becomes:
Hall - RNH - Raymond
Booth - Gagner - Eberle
Paajarvi - ???? - Hemsky
Smyth - Belanger - Brown

Ballard - Smid
Schultz - Schultz
Petry - Fistric

Luongo
Dubnyk

...with about $3M available for a 3rd line centre and spares.

I think that's a playoff roster...even a contender.
Im sorry, but this is beyond brutal.
Raymond is a tiny forward, not top line, and not what we need
Booth is brain dead, he has size but not the hockey IQ to play 2nd line and too expensive for third

Ballard is not any where near top pairing. Even on the Oilers. He is a decent option for third pairing

Luongo is no better then Dubnyk performance wise. Factor in his dead weight contract with the big 4 and its a disaster. Horcoff has a bad contract but its one year left.

Next, we give up a #1 overall pick, who actually plays with heart and physicality?
Then we also give up a good 3c who can play ugly minutes, AND give a high pick.

Not trading Yakupov for 2nd-3rd liners and big contracts. This is horribad.

I would be willing to trade for Kassian tho. Any deal with Luongo in it is automatically not going to happen. Both in the real world and on HF. Oilers dont need to upgrade goaltending. next time you say its bad look at your respective teams goalie stats to see if hes better.

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04-16-2013, 12:20 AM
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Couturier for Yakupov
Dreamin' in Pennsylvania.

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04-16-2013, 12:28 AM
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I wonder if Mac would be interested in a player like Hartnell from the Flyers......as a Flyer fan, the Oilers have some pretty juicy young players over there.....
Hartnell is exactly the kind of player MacTavish would want. He's not, however, the kind of player we'd move the kids for.

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04-16-2013, 12:29 AM
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He said he was going to make bold moves but he also did say that they need more depth and something along the lines of building around core. I think we will likely see guys like Hemsky, Gagner, Paajarvi etc. traded. I also believe our 1st round pick from this year is in play. Going to be an exciting draft and offseason for the Oilers. Lets just hope MacT doesn't screw up.

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04-16-2013, 12:35 AM
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I was mostly just kidding (original was Yakupov + Hemsky for Luongo + Booth + Ballard + 1st).

But if we want to analyze this a bit:
-Luongo would waive because he wants to be a starter, he doesn't care where.
-Add Raymond from the Canucks
-Switch Hemsky to Horcoff and remove the Canucks 1st, add Oilers 2nd

TO EDM: Luongo + Booth + Ballard + Raymond
To VAN: Yakupov + Horcoff (to be bought out) + 2nd
...and strange hallucinations in Vancouver. Yakupov for Luongo and players Vancouver wants to get rid of. What are the chances, eh? 750 million to 1?

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04-16-2013, 12:38 AM
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...and strange hallucinations in Vancouver. Yakupov for Luongo and players Vancouver wants to get rid of. What are the chances, eh? 750 million to 1?
Counter offer! Horcoff, Smyth, Belanger and Eager for Alex Edler and one of the Sedins. Preferably the center, ha ha.

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04-16-2013, 01:02 AM
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3-way

Edm
Luongo
2nd 2013 NJ
2nd 2014 NJ

Van
1st Edm or Paajarvi
Horcoff (to be bought out)

NJ
Dubnyk
EDM should do this easily if it's Pääjärvi.

Though, Dubnyk is younger and has been quite solid so Edmonton could still continue with him too. Value-wise the trade obviously is good of Oilers.

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I'm not sure if it will happen, but I could see a Myers for Eberle or Yak trade discussion happen over the summer.
Oilers have a lot of needs. Young RH shot puck movers is not one of them with J. Schultz and Petry.

Myers has a huge contract and has seen a regression in his production for 3 straight seasons as well as back to back shortened seasons due to injury. He could have a lot of value to the right team. I don't see it for Edmonton.

Much greater need for a legitmate top pairing d-man who is rock solid defensively, and an additional LH shot d-man who can move the puck up the ice quickly.

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If one of the big four is play, I suspect it to be Yakupov. Not that he isn't a good player with a huge pedigree, but the others have all established themselves and much as I'd love the Habs or Nucks to get Eberle. It seems unlikely he is moved. That said, Montreal in particular does have enticing pieces that could get something done.

Markov
Moen
Beaulieu/Tinodri/Thrower/Emelin

For either Yakupov or Eberle. Alternatively, take out the prospect and add two firsts. Eller is another possibility too.

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...and strange hallucinations in Vancouver. Yakupov for Luongo and players Vancouver wants to get rid of. What are the chances, eh? 750 million to 1?
I think the mushroom are in full bloom

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I was mostly just kidding (original was Yakupov + Hemsky for Luongo + Booth + Ballard + 1st).

But if we want to analyze this a bit:
-Luongo would waive because he wants to be a starter, he doesn't care where.
-Add Raymond from the Canucks
-Switch Hemsky to Horcoff and remove the Canucks 1st, add Oilers 2nd

TO EDM: Luongo + Booth + Ballard + Raymond
To VAN: Yakupov + Horcoff (to be bought out) + 2nd

From someone earlier:
Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Gagner-Eberle
?????-Horcoff-?????
Smyth-?????-Brown

?????-Smid
Petry-J.Schultz
N.Schultz-Fistric

Dubnyk-?????

Becomes:
Hall - RNH - Raymond
Booth - Gagner - Eberle
Paajarvi - ???? - Hemsky
Smyth - Belanger - Brown

Ballard - Smid
Schultz - Schultz
Petry - Fistric

Luongo
Dubnyk

...with about $3M available for a 3rd line centre and spares.

I think that's a playoff roster...even a contender.
So Vancouver fans believe that not only can they trade Lou, but also get value in return for that horid contract, and not take on any more cap space? So some team will put themselves in cap hell, clear Vancouvers cap issues, and give great value in return for doing this very generous favour?

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So Vancouver fans believe that not only can they trade Lou, but also get value in return for that horid contract, and not take on any more cap space? So some team will put themselves in cap hell, clear Vancouvers cap issues, and give great value in return for doing this very generous favour?
Please do not bunch as altogether. I was moments away from quoting him for the very reason that offer is garbage.

Raymond = UFA; no value
Ballard = mid 2nd
Luongo = 2nd
Booth = Buyout candidate

That's about how I see it. Lu can be traded, just for very little. Granted, I would not be surprised if teams played chicken in hopes we bought him out. Booth may garner something, but I doubt it. He is far too injury prone for most teams to take a flyer on him. We got him as reclamation project by trading junk. Ballard is a victim of poor coaching decisions and I do believe has some value. He's likely bought out though.

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So Vancouver fans believe that not only can they trade Lou, but also get value in return for that horid contract, and not take on any more cap space? So some team will put themselves in cap hell, clear Vancouvers cap issues, and give great value in return for doing this very generous favour?
The Canucks right now should be:
- paying someone to take Luongo's contract
- should be trading Schnieder
- buying out Luongo in the summer

Those are the 3 only ways to take care of this mess.

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Mac T already stated basically the four kids upfront aren't going to be traded unless the return is ridiculous because Oiler fans put up with a lot to get that.

And Justin Schultz is basically a no go given our lack of defensive depth.

Gagner, Hemsky, Paajarvi, EDM 1st 2013, Nick Schultz, are likely pieces that are in play.

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So Vancouver fans believe that not only can they trade Lou, but also get value in return for that horid contract, and not take on any more cap space? So some team will put themselves in cap hell, clear Vancouvers cap issues, and give great value in return for doing this very generous favour?
Not all Canuck fans think this.

I would look upon Vancouver as ripe for plucking, were I the GM in Edmonton. Canucks need to dump a boatload of salary this offseason. You could help yourself to several players and offer no return! Scoop Booth, Ballard and Luongo for free!

Since I am ruthless and cold, I would offer sheet Tanev. I'd offer outside of Vancouver's structure, which is five million for top four defencemen. Vancouver might not be able to match it!

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Mac T already stated basically the four kids upfront aren't going to be traded unless the return is ridiculous because Oiler fans put up with a lot to get that.

And Justin Schultz is basically a no go given our lack of defensive depth.

Gagner, Hemsky, Paajarvi, EDM 1st 2013, Nick Schultz, are likely pieces that are in play.
Hope and pray we land the #1 pick and trade it to Nash for Weber or StL. for Pietro.

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