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04-14-2013, 08:43 PM
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Erik Johnson to TB

EJohnson available yet or is he still part of the core?

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Purcell+2nd

To TB:
EJohnson

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I think his value to Colorado is higher than it would be elsewhere.

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04-14-2013, 08:44 PM
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Personally Id offer our 1st this year plus one or two of our forward prospects not named Killorn or Palat.

Dont know if Colorado is looking to move him though.

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I don't think the Avs would consider that proposal for a second.

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Taking from a position of weakness (defense) to add to a position of strength (offense)?

Please consider other team's needs when making proposals.

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Not even remotely close.

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This is just bad, Avs easily say no. Colorado needs a top pairing guy to pair with EJ, not lose their only top guy.

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No, but are you interested in Parenteau + 2nd for Hedman?

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I'm sorry but that is terrible.

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Taking from a position of weakness (defense) to add to a position of strength (offense)?

Please consider other team's needs when making proposals.
This.

Plus that really isn't very good for the Avs anyway, not good value.


Unless it envolves Hedman the Avs would say no.



If at the draft the Avs pick 1st overall though and take Jones. MAYBE. Something like TBL 1st(Assumed to be in the 5-7 range) + Kucherov for EJ + Goalie Prospect?

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Taking from a position of weakness (defense) to add to a position of strength (offense)?

Please consider other team's needs when making proposals.
Well, Colorado ranks 27th in the league in scoring. I don't think I can be faulted for assuming offense is not a position of strength for the Avalanche...perhaps a counter proposal is in order from somebody who knows what the Avalanche need.

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This.

Plus that really isn't very good for the Avs anyway, not good value.


Unless it envolves Hedman the Avs would say no.



If at the draft the Avs pick 1st overall though and take Jones. MAYBE. Something like TBL 1st(Assumed to be in the 5-7 range) + Kucherov for EJ + Goalie Prospect?
I'd offer up a forward prospect on top of Purcell but if that is the asking price I don't see us doing it.

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Well, Colorado ranks 27th in the league in scoring. I don't think I can be faulted for assuming offense is not a position of strength for the Avalanche...perhaps a counter proposal is in order from somebody who knows what the Avalanche need.
If we wanted offense we wouldn't have traded Stewart + Shatty for EJ.

There is no counter proposal.

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Well, Colorado ranks 27th in the league in scoring. I don't think I can be faulted for assuming offense is not a position of strength for the Avalanche...perhaps a counter proposal is in order from somebody who knows what the Avalanche need.
We might be 27th in scoring, but just look at our offense. We have tons of it.

Stastny, Duchene, Oreilly are all Top 6 C's. Duchene is on the verge of establishing himself as a #1C(One more good year and he's there).

Landeskog, Downie, Paranteau are all clear cut Top 6 Wingers. PAP, like Duchene is on the verge of establishing himself as a Top line Winger(He might be there already actually).

McGinn, and Jones are both borderline Top 6 guys or very good 3rd liners. When Jones is on he can be a top liner, but he is very streaky. McGinn is still young so it remains to be seen with him, but his first 2 seasons with the Avs are pointing to a 25 Goal, 50 point 2nd line Winger in his prime.

Then we have prospects such as Hishon and Sgarbossa who both have Top 6 potential, and both could make the jump to the NHL as soon as next season.


But, on Defense we have Erik Johnson, who is a Top pairing shut down guy. Maybe not a #1 right now. But it has yet to be seen what he can do with a good D partner along side him. He has been forced to play Matt Hunwick for most of this year, a #6/7 among most teams.

After that we have some decent prospects in Barrie, Elliott, and Siemens. Barrie is already an NHL caliber Dman, and probably capable of playing a Top 4 role next year. Elliott and Siemens are probably a year away though.



So, we have lots of offense despite our lacking scoring this year. However on Defense we have EJ and Barrie and that's more or less it for next season besides a bunch of 5/6/7 guys(Wilson, Obrien, Zanon, Hunwick) and one #4 guy(Hejda).

We desperately need another top pairing guy, much like you guys.

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I'd offer up a forward prospect on top of Purcell but if that is the asking price I don't see us doing it.
That is fine. Remember you're the one who made the proposal not Avs fans.

We don't want to trade EJ. We would much rather keep him because as has been pointed out, our Defense is terrible and were missing the same piece you guys are.


So, if we were to move EJ. It would only happen if we knew for sure we had a better replacement coming back(Drafting Jones for example) and even then only for an overpayment.

And for what its worth, I don't think my proposal was an overpayment, more so fair value. A 5-7 overall pick for EJ is close enough to fair, then the swapping of prospects is equally fair.

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04-14-2013, 09:12 PM
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We might be 27th in scoring, but just look at our offense. We have tons of it.

Stastny, Duchene, Oreilly are all Top 6 C's. Duchene is on the verge of establishing himself as a #1C(One more good year and he's there).

Landeskog, Downie, Paranteau are all clear cut Top 6 Wingers. PAP, like Duchene is on the verge of establishing himself as a Top line Winger(He might be there already actually).

McGinn, and Jones are both borderline Top 6 guys or very good 3rd liners. When Jones is on he can be a top liner, but he is very streaky. McGinn is still young so it remains to be seen with him, but his first 2 seasons with the Avs are pointing to a 25 Goal, 50 point 2nd line Winger in his prime.

Then we have prospects such as Hishon and Sgarbossa who both have Top 6 potential, and both could make the jump to the NHL as soon as next season.


But, on Defense we have Erik Johnson, who is a Top pairing shut down guy. Maybe not a #1 right now. But it has yet to be seen what he can do with a good D partner along side him. He has been forced to play Matt Hunwick for most of this year, a #6/7 among most teams.

After that we have some decent prospects in Barrie, Elliott, and Siemens. Barrie is already an NHL caliber Dman, and probably capable of playing a Top 4 role next year. Elliott and Siemens are probably a year away though.



So, we have lots of offense despite our lacking scoring this year. However on Defense we have EJ and Barrie and that's more or less it for next season besides a bunch of 5/6/7 guys(Wilson, Obrien, Zanon, Hunwick) and one #4 guy(Hejda).

We desperately need another top pairing guy, much like you guys.
True that, thanks for the detailed analysis. We do not make good trading partners.

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If we wanted offense we wouldn't have traded Stewart + Shatty for EJ.

There is no counter proposal.
A lot can change in two years with all due respect.

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Two serious problems:

First, the value is way off. You are looking at what expendable parts exist in TB to offer, not what assets in TB have sufficient value to get a player of that caliber.

Second, this is solely constructed from the viewpoint of how to get EJ to TB, and not whether the Avalanche are in a position to trade defense for more offense. They need more defense, not less. They would be inclined to put together a proposal for TB to pry away Hedman (which would be equally futile, since TB is in no position to deal defense either)... and one-for-one would not be worthwhile, since it would leave both teams essentially where they started: in need of more defense.

Young top-pairing defensemen rarely change teams.

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EJohnson available yet or is he still part of the core?

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I can tell you that's not anywhere close to enough for them to consider moving EJ, they also have little need for wingers right now. I'm not expert on the Avs defence but right now he's the only legit top pairing guy on their team, the only other top 4 guys are Barrie & Hedja, they're both #4s right now. The rest are #5/6s

It would have to start with your 2013 1st+NHL Ready defenceman with top 3 potential+ .

EJ means wayyyyyy to much to Avs defence & team in general to give him away for scraps or for anything less then an overpayment.

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I can tell you that's not anywhere close to enough for them to consider moving EJ, they also have little need for wingers right now. I'm not expert on the Avs defence but right now he's the only legit top pairing guy on their team, the only other top 4 guys are Barrie & Hedja, they're both #4s right now. The rest are #5/6s

It would have to start with your 2013 1st+NHL Ready defenceman with top 3 potential+ .

EJ means wayyyyyy to much to Avs defence & team in general to give him away for scraps or for anything less then an overpayment.
Giving them way too much credit there. Zanon is like #9/10.

Really, really bad proposal.

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Giving them way too much credit there. Zanon is like #9/10.

Really, really bad proposal.
You're still giving Zanon way too much credit. I'd say he's a #3/4 in the ECHL

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No, but are you interested in Parenteau + 2nd for Hedman?
Nope not gonna happen, Hedman is untouchable as far as Tampa Bay is concerned.

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Our D is already league worst (arguably) and you think we're going to move our 1D for a second line winger and a player who might make an impact 2-3 years down the road. no dice.

i do like purcell's game though.

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Both teams need the same thing (defense), so these teams aren't a good fit.

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Nope not gonna happen, Hedman is untouchable as far as Tampa Bay is concerned.
He was just showing what the OP's proposal was like from an Avs perspective.

EJ is just as untouchable for us as Hedman is for TBL.

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