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The Hockey News - Will it take a trade to save the Canucks?

The Hockey News ‏@TheHockeyNews
In the new Rumor Roundup, @SpectorsHockey looks at a possible Canucks trade
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/ru...e-the-canucks/

Evander Kane might be available but his cap hit would not fit and it would cost some solid prospects unless GMMG could send David Booth back as well. Unfortunately Mad Mike Milbury is not the GM of the Jets.
Tony Gallagher of the Vancouver Province feels the Canucks are in danger of fading out of the playoff race if they don’t make a significant upgrade, but he doesn’t know where it could come from. Unless Booth and Kassian improve soon, Gallagher believes the only solution is a beneficial trade or “a very long wait” for prospects Bo Horvat, Brendan Gaunce and Hunter Shinkaruk.

Making a beneficial trade, however, means parting with those promising youngsters. Gallagher’s colleague Jason Botchford doesn’t believe GM Mike Gillis is willing to do that, having been burned in “quick-fix” deals in recent years. Even if Gillis is willing to make such a move, there’s not much talent in the trade market to help them.

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Edler + w/e for Evander Kane. Get it done!I have no hope for Edler. My baseless speculation is that his back is completely screwed and he is already an inconsistent bonehead so it makes it even worse.

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I have a ton of hope for Edler but it would require a significant piece like him to return Kane plus something else probably.

FWIW, someone tweeted that Bro Jake said Toigo told him Kane is "dying" to play here.

yes... BBQ etc.

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Evander Kane + NHL depth defenseman + minor league contract

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David Booth + Ryan Stanton + Bo Horvat + 1st round pick

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Evander Kane + NHL depth defenseman + minor league contract

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David Booth + Ryan Stanton + Bo Horvat + 1st round pick
Any trade involving Horvat that doesn't get us back a Top 6 centre should be a no-go (unless the deal is lopsided in our favour). Don't care if it's Evander Kane coming back.

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I'd rather trade our older vets for picks and prospects and do a proper rebuild around a young core. The last thing we need to do is trade away our young promising players and end up doing a 10 year rebuild.

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I'd give up Edler and Shinkaruk for Kane. Kane is everything we can hope for Shink to be and has a good deal in the future, plus he's a hometown boy.

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Edler + w/e for Evander Kane. Get it done!I have no hope for Edler. My baseless speculation is that his back is completely screwed and he is already an inconsistent bonehead so it makes it even worse.
Yeah, I'm sort of feeling that way too.

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Evander Kane + NHL depth defenseman + minor league contract

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How about nooo...

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I'm glad to see the rumour is that we're looking to package prospects for a forward rather than Edler.

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I'm glad to see the rumour is that we're looking to package prospects for a forward rather than Edler.
Tell me how you'd feel if that prospect was Nichushkin. Because how you regard him, is how most of us regard Horvat.

Hindsight is 20-20, but I don't recall anyone wanting to move Cody Hodgson for a push in years past, and now look at the crying over spilled milk since we've dealt him.

Edit* To add. Question: What is the teams strength? Most would argue that on paper our strength is depth on defense. Why not take from an organizational strength (Edler) and improve a weakness (top 6 scoring and PP scoring - E. Kane)?

Prospect depth is an organizational black hole, it's beyond a weakness, it's an embarassment, really. Why move the only good ones we have? I just don't get it? There is already a large gap between the now roster (30's) and the up and comers (teens). Take a 27 year old dman, who has struggled since January 2012 and move him for a player clearly looking for a new start.


That's just me, I'm just getting tired of seeing all the teams around us having this push of youth from within, meanwhile we're recycling late 20's journeymen in and out of the lineup annually. It's infuriating really.


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I would trade Shinkaruk, Jensen, Gaunce etc in a move for Kane... not Horvat.

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Evander Kane + NHL depth defenseman + minor league contract

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Jets won't do it...
That is a lot of lottery tickets and supplementary pieces.

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Evander Kane + NHL depth defenseman + minor league contract

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Is that a joke?

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Booth, Schroeder and a 4th make it happen!1!1

But seriously why does HF over value prospects so much. I would toss any prospect we have at WPG if it meant a player like Evander Kane was coming back.

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Jets won't do it...
That is a lot of lottery tickets and supplementary pieces.
You're probably right. Canucks probably don't do it either. I tried to come up with something that fit both teams needs.

Evander Kane is one of only a few wingers I would move Horvat in a deal for. IMO our centre depth is good with Hank/Kesler/Santorelli/Richardson for the foreseeable future if Kesler is playing with someone as good as Kane.

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Booth, Schroeder and a 4th make it happen!1!1

But seriously why does HF over value prospects so much. I would toss any prospect we have at WPG if it meant a player like Evander Kane was coming back.
So essentially, we keep throwing our prospects away to make futile pushes for the Cup? Or even just the play-offs?

We can't keep doing that. We have to inject youth into the lineup, or we will end up like Calgary.

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I'd give up Edler and Shinkaruk for Kane. Kane is everything we can hope for Shink to be and has a good deal in the future, plus he's a hometown boy.
And Kane is much bigger and can throw 'em.

Here he is dropping that little puke Matt Cooke.


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Tell me how you'd feel if that prospect was Nichushkin. Because how you regard him, is how most of us regard Horvat.

Hindsight is 20-20, but I don't recall anyone wanting to move Cody Hodgson for a push in years past, and now look at the crying over spilled milk since we've dealt him.
I'd move Nichushkin+ in a heartbeat for Kane. That said while I would move Horvat/Nichushkin+ for Kane, I'm not sold that Kane would be the best player for us to target.

If we could move Tanev + Jensen/Gaunce/1st for Vanek with the intention of re-signing him then I'd prefer that.

I'd also be interested in what the asking price for Skinner would be, if he could be had for futures.

My main comment was that whatever the forward we look to acquire, it will most likely be via prospects/picks rather than giving up a core player, which is all I was saying I prefer.

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Booth, Schroeder and a 4th make it happen!1!1

But seriously why does HF over value prospects so much. I would toss any prospect we have at WPG if it meant a player like Evander Kane was coming back.
Meh, I wouldn't toss Horvat. ... Actually let me correct that. I wouldn't toss Horvat and anything else substantial.

If it was Horvat + weak prospect or Horvat + mid pick I would.

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I'd pay pretty steep for Kane, but not Horvat.

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I'd also be interested in what the asking price for Skinner would be, if he could be had for futures.
Kesler - Skinner would be Vancouver's answer to Toews - Kane.

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Is that a joke?
Come on, it's not that bad. Kane is under contract for a while and Horvat hasn't even played in the league.

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Why are both teams swapping depth defensemen? can't we just keep Stanton and they keep whoever?

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