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04-18-2013, 11:45 PM
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Karlsson >> either one of Hall/Eberle/RNH/Yakupov

If Karlsson is the main piece then I can see it being something like this



Hall
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Mid-level D prospect



Karlsson
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Dont see how that helps solve Edmonton's basic problem.

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Schultz is slightly better than Weircoich currently. Except Weircoich is much bigger than Schultz.

Also explain how Klefbom is soooo much better than Ceci...
You really need someone to explain this to you? Try watching them play... or reading a scouting report... anything really

and really? Bigger? Tyler Myers is bigger than Karlsson. Better hurry and make that deal while you can

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04-18-2013, 11:51 PM
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Dont see how that helps solve Edmonton's basic problem.
Ok fine then throw in Lehner. Idgaf...I was just trying to help. Sens fans

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Karlsson >> either one of Hall/Eberle/RNH/Yakupov

If Karlsson is the main piece then I can see it being something like this



Hall
RNH/Eberle/Yakupov
Mid-level D prospect



Karlsson
1st 2013
RNH or Eberle or Yakupov + mid-level D prosect >>>> Ottawa 1st round draft pick

Those are elite players. RNH and Yukupov are potentially franchise forwards.

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04-18-2013, 11:53 PM
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RNH or Hall or Yakupov + mid-level D prosect >>>> Ottawa 1st round draft pick

Those are franchise players.
Yeah but Karlsson >>> Hall. I was trying to balance it out...Hall is an amazing player, I'd rather have him on the habs than Karlsson but let's be honest here. Karlsson is better and more valuable. You're right though, Ottawa's 1st is worthless compared to one of RNH/Yak/Eberle + a mid-level D prospect but it wasn't a one for one trade for the Ottawa 1st, like I said, it was to make up for the difference in the Hall for Karlsson.

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04-18-2013, 11:54 PM
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RNH or Hall or Yakupov + mid-level D prosect >>>> Ottawa 1st round draft pick

Those are franchise players.
Dont worry Sens fans wouldnt go anywhere near that trade either.

Karlsson CONTROLS the game for 25-30 minutes

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Karlsson >> either one of Hall/Eberle/RNH/Yakupov

If Karlsson is the main piece then I can see it being something like this



Hall
RNH/Eberle/Yakupov
Mid-level D prospect



Karlsson
1st 2013
bad for both teams. I see no point of trading franchise players for other franchise players

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You really need someone to explain this to you? Try watching them play... or reading a scouting report... anything really

and really? Bigger? Tyler Myers is bigger than Karlsson. Better hurry and make that deal while you can
Yes please explain why Klefbom is so superior to Ceci.

And Size was just an edge that Weircoich has over Schultz. I never said Weircoich was better, I just said its much closer then you think.

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bad for both teams. I see no point of trading franchise players for other franchise players
I didn't make the thread.

Fine, I'll try again trying to take into accounts the needs.




Hall
Yakupov
Marincin



Karlsson
Lehner
Michalek
3rd 2013


Sens get a center to replace Spezza, he'll be aging by the time Hall is hitting his prime and they get an awesome Yakupov and a high level D prospect that won't fill Karlssons shoes but will look good in the NHL.

Oilers get that goalie and arguably the #1 D in the league they've always needed but at the expense of their best rookie, a future stud D and a great young center. A signed Michalek (a slight downgrade right now, a big one down the road) is sent to the Oilers to replace Yakupov so the Oilers don't lose some scoring.

Alright, which fanbase is going to say no first?


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04-19-2013, 12:03 AM
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Taylor Hall for Cory Conacher, Patrick Weircoich or Eric Gryba, 2013 1st round pick, 2014 2nd round pick


Other available players:
Milan Michalek, Zach Smith, Eric Condra, Colin Greening, Mark Stone,
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Karlsson wouldn't be moved for all 4
Thread has potential

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Schultz is slightly better than Weircoich currently. Except Weircoich is much bigger than Schultz.

Also explain how Klefbom is soooo much better than Ceci...
Wjc captain for sweden, wjc allstar, played against men 20 min a night in a sel topteam made his debute last year in team sweden, ranked 29 just behind Brodin on hockeys future(considering a injury holded him back this year).

Should i continue? Ceci still in juniors!

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I didn't make the thread.

Fine, I'll try again trying to take into accounts the needs.




Hall
Yakupov
Marincin
3rd 2013



Karlsson
Lehner
Michalek


Sens get a center to replace Spezza, he'll be aging by the time Hall is hitting his prime and they get an awesome Yakupov and a high level D prospect that won't fill Karlssons shoes but will look good in the NHL.

Oilers get that goalie and arguably the #1 D in the league they've always needed but at the expense of their best rookie, a future stud D and a great young center. A signed Michalek (a slight downgrade right now, a big one down the road) is sent to the Oilers to replace Yakupov so the Oilers don't lose some scoring.

Alright, which fanbase is going to say no first?
NO way.

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04-19-2013, 12:07 AM
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NO way.
Okay, I give up. I was always bad at making trade proposals

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04-19-2013, 12:11 AM
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Wjc captain for sweden, wjc allstar, played against men 20 min a night in a sel topteam made his debute last year in team sweden, ranked 29 just behind Brodin on hockeys future(considering a injury holded him back this year).

Should i continue? Ceci still in juniors!
I could have said most the same things and more about David Rundblad 2 years ago....

They are both mid first round picks. playing in different leagues makes them hard to compare. Yet klefbom seems to be struggling to get many points.

It will be a few years before the better player is determined.

Which is why for now I would put them around them same, give or take team needs

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04-19-2013, 12:26 AM
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Wjc captain for sweden, wjc allstar, played against men 20 min a night in a sel topteam made his debute last year in team sweden, ranked 29 just behind Brodin on hockeys future(considering a injury holded him back this year).

Should i continue? Ceci still in juniors!
Until both is a regular in the nhl its hard to say that one is better than other. Wjc also is not a very good indication of how a player will turn out in the nhl. Also the sens have silfverberg, who last year was on a tear on the sel, playoff mvp and broke record in playoffs for goals I believe. He's been decent lately, its hard and it does take time to adjust to the nhl and klefbom wont be no different especially as a defenseman.

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Karlsson >> either one of Hall/Eberle/RNH/Yakupov

If Karlsson is the main piece then I can see it being something like this



Hall
RNH/Eberle/Yakupov
Mid-level D prospect



Karlsson
1st 2013
You greatly overrated Karlsson. That package is worth only Crosby and maybe Stamkos/Ovechkin. I'm not even sure if I'd do Hall straight up for Karlsson.

The 1st round pick is negligible when considering the other pieces in the trade

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I didn't make the thread.

Fine, I'll try again trying to take into accounts the needs.




Hall
Yakupov
Marincin



Karlsson
Lehner
Michalek
3rd 2013


Sens get a center to replace Spezza, he'll be aging by the time Hall is hitting his prime and they get an awesome Yakupov and a high level D prospect that won't fill Karlssons shoes but will look good in the NHL.

Oilers get that goalie and arguably the #1 D in the league they've always needed but at the expense of their best rookie, a future stud D and a great young center. A signed Michalek (a slight downgrade right now, a big one down the road) is sent to the Oilers to replace Yakupov so the Oilers don't lose some scoring.

Alright, which fanbase is going to say no first?
Your right on the ball . Not one of those players from the Oilers are a Centre . Seeing you know so much please enlighten us with your knowledge oh wise one

I would not trade Hall for Karlsson one for one . Karlsson is not the defence man we need . We need a mean SOB to lay people out someone like Nurse

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You greatly overrated Karlsson. That package is worth only Crosby and maybe Stamkos/Ovechkin. I'm not even sure if I'd do Hall straight up for Karlsson.

The 1st round pick is negligible when considering the other pieces in the trade
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Until both is a regular in the nhl its hard to say that one is better than other. Wjc also is not a very good indication of how a player will turn out in the nhl. Also the sens have silfverberg, who last year was on a tear on the sel, playoff mvp and broke record in playoffs for goals I believe. He's been decent lately, its hard and it does take time to adjust to the nhl and klefbom wont be no different especially as a defenseman.
Klefbom started out in the SEL as a 16/17 year old as a defenceman.

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They were talking on the Quiz on TSN about the oilers potentially moving one of their big 4 offensive players. I was just curious how much he would cost to acquire? As well, who is would return a bigger package, Eberle or Hall? Both players would fit nicely in Ottawa's top 6.

I could see Ottawa offereing a top 6 forward, a young defensemen and some draft picks, something among the lines of:

Taylor Hall for Cory Conacher, Patrick Weircoich or Eric Gryba, 2013 1st round pick, 2014 2nd round pick

Conacher could help replace some of the offense lost, weircoich and gryba are both future top 4 defense, most likely by next season, and draft picks which the oilers could then trade for other players.

Other available players:
Milan Michalek, Zach Smith, Eric Condra, Colin Greening, Mark Stone,
How about Zack Smith, Milan Michalek, Cody Ceci, and 2013 First?

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Schultz >= Wiercioch

Schultz > Wiercioch at BEST

There's no >>>>>>>
Wiercioch is bigger and better defensively, and has the same amount of points. They are the same age.
Keep in mind the time played in the AHL. Schultz had half a season there before joining the Oilers. Wiercioch had an extra season in there the previous year.

That said I wouldn't be trading for Schultz if I was Ottawa (not that he would be available). They have Karlsson. Wiercioch is a nice asset, has size, and appears to be working out quite well. Size is something that cannot be taught. So nothing against Schultz (who is without a doubt the better D), Wiercioch is more of what Ottawa needs.

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I could have said most the same things and more about David Rundblad 2 years ago....

They are both mid first round picks. playing in different leagues makes them hard to compare. Yet klefbom seems to be struggling to get many points.

It will be a few years before the better player is determined.

Which is why for now I would put them around them same, give or take team needs
The SEL isn't a high scoring league. But the playing against men for 20 minutes a night gives him the slight edge. Doesn't mean much as to how they'll turn out 5 years from now... but it does put him a step closer to the NHL than Ceci.

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When people talk about trading for Malkin, that's usually the package put together.

Hall/Eberle/Yakupov
RNH
+

So there's no way Karlsson comes anywhere close to that. But again... I'm not sure why people are talking about trading Karlsson. It will not happen. Kind of pointless to put trade proposals together for him. He's simply too valuable to Ottawa for that to happen.

If it did however, I think it would be Schultz (won't happen bc he choose Edmonton) but he would be who Ottawa was targeting as a replacement to Karlsson , and one of their wingers. Maybe a small + added (prospect or something).

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Are you ****ing serious Oiler fans. You wouldn't trade Hall for Karlsson? I'd do that deal everyday and run. BUT, no disrespect to Ottawa unless Karlsson is coming back for Hall i would not trade Hall to the Sens. If were talking Eberle.. I see some pieces there..

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