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04-28-2013, 01:33 AM
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Yeah that was awful. I picked a bad day to go to my first Sox game of the year.

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Its close just as long as theres nothing mechanically wrong with the delivery like Kerry Wood.

Greg Maddux topped out around 91 but he could pinpoint like nobodys business.
In his prime, Maddux touched 93-94. And with the velocity creep we've seen in recent years, that's more like 95 today.

Maddux became the greatest of all time with otherwordly command and late movement, but it seems like frequently his "lack" of velocity gets exaggerated. He chose to work at a bit less than his max velocity in order to maximize movement, but he had some gas when he wanted or needed it.

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Saw a headline from the Trib this morning that Rose is 90% and "could" return vs the Heat. Kind of got a chuckle out of it thinking of you guys.

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maddux greatest of all time? please

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maddux greatest of all time? please
He's gotta be up there, but it's hard to really debate it IMO, with how old the sport is and how many different eras of play the sport has gone thru. Over the last 30-40 years, who would you rather have had?

Randy Johnson maybe? Pedro was great, but didn't sustain the success long enough to be up there with him. Same with Schilling. Roger Clemens? That's a dirty name to say the least, so not sure how he factors in.

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04-28-2013, 10:27 AM
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He's gotta be up there, but it's hard to really debate it IMO, with how old the sport is and how many different eras of play the sport has gone thru. Over the last 30-40 years, who would you rather have had?

Randy Johnson maybe? Pedro was great, but didn't sustain the success long enough to be up there with him. Same with Schilling. Roger Clemens? That's a dirty name to say the least, so not sure how he factors in.
Pedro had the most ridiculous peak of any pitcher, maybe ever.

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04-28-2013, 10:46 AM
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Pedro had the most ridiculous peak of any pitcher, maybe ever.
I agree, without a doubt. Especially those 3-4 years in Boston starting in like 99 or 98.


But I'm referring to careers. Pedro threw ~2800 career innings where Maddux was just over 5000 IP for his career. Would you rather have the guy who had maybe the best 3-4 years put together in the history of baseball... or a guy who played a lot longer, and was still great during most of that time? Me personally, I'd take Maddux over Pedro if we're picking who to have for a career.

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randy Johnson and roger clemens immediately jump out to me among guys who played in the same era

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Saw a headline from the Trib this morning that Rose is 90% and "could" return vs the Heat. Kind of got a chuckle out of it thinking of you guys.
It's amazing to me that Reggie Rose still hasn't learned to shut his mouth

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He's gotta be up there, but it's hard to really debate it IMO, with how old the sport is and how many different eras of play the sport has gone thru. Over the last 30-40 years, who would you rather have had?

Randy Johnson maybe? Pedro was great, but didn't sustain the success long enough to be up there with him. Same with Schilling. Roger Clemens? That's a dirty name to say the least, so not sure how he factors in.
Nolan Ryan

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04-28-2013, 11:20 AM
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randy Johnson and roger clemens immediately jump out to me among guys who played in the same era
Clemens is too dirty for me to consider, with all the baggage he carries.

Johnson and Maddux have career WARs separated by 0.3. You can't go wrong with either. I'll take Johnson for my fantasy team, but Maddux for my real life team.

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04-28-2013, 11:21 AM
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It's amazing to me that Reggie Rose still hasn't learned to shut his mouth
Worst of all that comment will get attributed to D-Rose and give people more reason to bash him despite him not saying anything.

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Nolan Ryan
No way. Too many walks and career ERA+ of 112. He gets overrated because of his longevity in the league.

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ill take johnson based on the k ability. i don't like war at all for pitchers.

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and as for clemens, i don't really care about roids

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04-28-2013, 11:36 AM
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No way. Too many walks and career ERA+ of 112. He gets overrated because of his longevity in the league.
Really, because of his career ERA + he is overrated? He had 7 no hitters, 12 one hitters, most Ks and a career ERA of 3.19 despite playing for 20+ years most of which was in the AL.

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04-28-2013, 11:44 AM
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Really, because of his career ERA + he is overrated? He had 7 no hitters, 12 one hitters, most Ks and a career ERA of 3.19 despite playing for 20+ years most of which was in the AL.
And Phillip Humber has a perfect game. It's an impressive feat, but a few no hitters doesn't mean you're an all time great pitcher.

And more so referring to his walk rate that really overrates him. 4.5+ BBs per 9 is pretty bad. He led the league in walks 8 times. While his BAA was amazing, all the walks made him have an unspectacular opp-OBP.

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04-28-2013, 11:52 AM
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And Phillip Humber has a perfect game. It's an impressive feat, but a few no hitters doesn't mean you're an all time great pitcher.

And more so referring to his walk rate that really overrates him. 4.5+ BBs per 9 is pretty bad. He led the league in walks 8 times. While his BAA was amazing, all the walks made him have an unspectacular opp-OBP.
1 if a fluke, 7 is a sign of greatness.

So he walked people, he also had a career whip of 1.25 and an career ERA of 3.19 while playing in the AL most of his career, a guy got to first on a walk and he stuck out the rest of the batters in the inning.

On the mound he was one of the best, don't care what some goofy stat like ERA+ says years later. In his prime I would take Nolan to win 1 game over any pitcher in the time span you mentioned.

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04-28-2013, 12:03 PM
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1 if a fluke, 7 is a sign of greatness.

So he walked people, he also had a career whip of 1.25 and an career ERA of 3.19 while playing in the AL most of his career, a guy got to first on a walk and he stuck out the rest of the batters in the inning.

On the mound he was one of the best, don't care what some goofy stat like ERA+ says years later. In his prime I would take Nolan to win 1 game over any pitcher in the time span you mentioned.
Strongly disagree, but hey, to each their own. I'll take any of them over Ryan for a single game. Just going off career records, Ryan isn't near any of them. Just looking at career ERA, and they're all in the same ballpark of the general 3.20 range. Although, his WHIP is 1.25 compared to all the other guys being near 1.10 or lower. That's a decent difference over a career.

Maddux: 355-227 .610
RJ: 303-166 .646
Pedro: 219-100 .687
Clemens: 354-184 .658
Ryan: 324-292 .526

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04-28-2013, 12:55 PM
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Maddux had the best peak ever - I have him and Pedro tied there - and arguably the best year of modern era pitching. Also, a dominant World Series pitcher.


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Nolan Ryan is easily the most overrated pitcher ever. Yea, he was great, but like top 30 great.

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And Phillip Humber has a perfect game. It's an impressive feat, but a few no hitters doesn't mean you're an all time great pitcher.

And more so referring to his walk rate that really overrates him. 4.5+ BBs per 9 is pretty bad. He led the league in walks 8 times. While his BAA was amazing, all the walks made him have an unspectacular opp-OBP.
Comparing Phil Humber to Nolan Ryan is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard

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