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04-25-2013, 09:01 AM
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Firstly, On the topic ofr who any team picks should they win the lottery? It's Jones. Every team takes Jones. There isn't a team out there that couldn't use a big number 1 D. Even the teams that already have one. The lottery this year is effectively a draw for his rights.



I can't see them trading the pick now. They have a really good shot at one of Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov or Monahan. Any of those guys would be a fantastic addition.



It depends on where we pick. Trading down from 1 isn't a good play, when there's a consensus pick. But if we landed on the Drouin pick, and decided we liked our wingers, I wouldn't freak out if they moved down a spot or two to grab Barkov/Monahan and picked up another pick. Especially if it was a 2nd.

I also would be ok with just taking Drouin. So we have a bunch of elite wingers. There are worse fates.
It really comes down until Monday night when we know the final order and what Bob has to tell us. Too many variables at this point to say we will or won't trade our pick.

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04-25-2013, 09:08 AM
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You don't pass on Martin St.Louis to draft Jordan Staal. You simply don't. You make trades elsewhere.
On the other hand, you could also argue that one of those players was undrafted, while the other was a consensus top5 pick (albeit not even close to the same year), also shows a bit of what BPA according to scouts can mean.

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04-25-2013, 09:12 AM
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Flames fan here: Would the Oilers be interested in swapping picks with the Flames if they added a Glencross? That way the Oilers could draft Nurse, add Glencross to there bottom 6, while Calgary would get a Centreman they desperately need.

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04-25-2013, 09:20 AM
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You don't pass on Martin St.Louis to draft Jordan Staal. You simply don't. You make trades elsewhere.
you dont pass up on zach parise to draft marc pooleeot either. we learned that lesson hopefully, BPA ALWAYS

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04-25-2013, 09:23 AM
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Zach Parise (Centre)


Eric Fehr (Right Wing)

Ryan Getzlaf (Centre)

Brent Burns (Right wing)


Mark Stuart (Defence)


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you dont pass up on zach parise to draft marc pooleeot either. we learned that lesson hopefully, BPA ALWAYS
I didn't want to go there

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04-25-2013, 09:28 AM
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Zach Parise (Centre)


Eric Fehr (Right Wing)

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Brent Burns (Right wing)


Mark Stuart (Defence)


Marc-Antoine Pouliot (Centre)
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Exactly.

Seeing how many breakaways there were tonight though cemented our biggest need.
A sniper hiding in the rafters to shoot at any opposing player coming over our blue line?

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Flames fan here: Would the Oilers be interested in swapping picks with the Flames if they added a Glencross? That way the Oilers could draft Nurse, add Glencross to there bottom 6, while Calgary would get a Centreman they desperately need.
If it was one spot down I'd do it. I want to pick 1st or out of the top 3. The perfect scenerio is they get the 3rd overall pick and trade down to #4 and take Barkov. Yes all day to Glencross though.

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Flames fan here: Would the Oilers be interested in swapping picks with the Flames if they added a Glencross? That way the Oilers could draft Nurse, add Glencross to there bottom 6, while Calgary would get a Centreman they desperately need.
Which center would the flames be targeting at 5? No way we trade MacKinnon or Barkov. It would have to be Monahan and I'm not entirely sure we pass on him either. Also, I'm not sure why GlenX would even want to be on this team.

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Which center would the flames be targeting at 5? No way we trade MacKinnon or Barkov. It would have to be Monahan and I'm not entirely sure we pass on him either. Also, I'm not sure why GlenX would even want to be on this team.
Yeah I guess you have to figure if it's Mackinnon/Barkov for Glencross & Monahan....I'd honestly consider it. But I'd want to talk to GlenX first as well.

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Flames fan here: Would the Oilers be interested in swapping picks with the Flames if they added a Glencross? That way the Oilers could draft Nurse, add Glencross to there bottom 6, while Calgary would get a Centreman they desperately need.
No interest whatsoever. We need a C more than we need a Nurse project type. And the last thing I'd want to do is hand Calgary a potential 1C.

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No interest whatsoever. We need a C more than we need a Nurse project type. And the last thing I'd want to do is hand Calgary a potential 1C.
i dont think they even want one, they had grigorenko fall in their laps and traded teh pick LOLOLOLOLOL

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04-25-2013, 10:31 AM
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I think that would be the one time where I'd rather go with need than BPA. Another small, crafty winger isn't going to help this team, no matter how skilled he may be. I'd probably trade down a spot or two.
Don't agree. Another "small, crafty winger", if he's good enough, would definitely help this team. Drouin's potential is as high, if not higher, than any of the players EDM has picked at #1. I wouldn't pass on that just to fill perceived current needs if those players are viewed as somewhat lesser talents than Drouin.

Take the BPA.

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If your picking 3 and Drouin who is left you pick him and laugh all the way to the bank. That kid is a monster. Are problems are solved by a competent GM not ruining the only good thing about being terrible, adding more talent.

Look at this roster and now fill in the gaps with some size and NHL caliber players and your fine. You have Hemsky, Gagner, MPS, Lander, Hartikinen, N Schultz etc to deal.



Hall - RNH - Eberle
Drouin - XX - Yak
XX - Horcoff - XX
XX - XX - Brown

Smid - XX
XX - Petry
Klefbom - XX

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You don't pass on Martin St.Louis to draft Jordan Staal. You simply don't. You make trades elsewhere.
Sounds great in theory.




Until they all suffer from from 2 or 3 of:



a) half the fanbase owns his jersey
b) is super clutch
C) will be the best of the bunch
D) is friends with other super important teammate.




and then youre stuck with all the midgets.



what about straight up trading the druoin pick away for a stud Dman like McD.

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If your picking 3 and Drouin who is left you pick him and laugh all the way to the bank. That kid is a monster. Are problems are solved by a competent GM not ruining the only good thing about being terrible, adding more talent.

Look at this roster and now fill in the gaps with some size and NHL caliber players and your fine. You have Hemsky, Gagner, MPS, Lander, Hartikinen, N Schultz etc to deal.



Hall - RNH - Eberle
Drouin - XX - Yak
XX - Horcoff - XX
XX - XX - Brown

Smid - XX
XX - Petry
Klefbom - XX
you would need a 7 foot 400 pound 2C to get the average size of that top six above 6.1 190.

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Sounds great in theory.




Until they all suffer from from 2 or 3 of:



a) half the fanbase owns his jersey
b) is super clutch
C) will be the best of the bunch
D) is friends with other super important teammate.




and then youre stuck with all the midgets.



what about straight up trading the druoin pick away for a stud Dman like McD.


see this to me is logical and would makes perfect sense to do, drafting monahan over Drouin based of organizational needs is not.

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Offersheet Berglund 4.5 mill (Say we theoretically get him)
Sign Bickell & Stalberg
Trade Gagner + NSchultz + Harti for Yandle (PHX prolly not do it)
Trade Hemsky (retain 2m) and Lander for Ott
Sign Fistric

Buyout: Smyth and Belanger

Resign Jones for 1m

Hall - Nuge - Eberle
MPS - Berg - Yak
Bick - Ott - Stalberg
Jones - Horc - Brown

Yandle - Petry
Smid - Jschultz
Klef - Potter
Fistric


Weeeeee.....
I like it! Don't love Yandle but it could be worse (see last 10 games) also if we could replace Potter with a solid top 4 guy it would give us 3 decent pairings.

I really want the Oilers to pry one of Bickell or Stalberg or both but it wont happen........

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I am all for trading this pick. We have enough youth, we need some quality vet's to go along with it. I think if we just keep getting more and more youth, we will be stuck in this rebuild for a lot longer. Deal the pick plus an asset for a top pairing D man. This year's pick will likely take a few years to have a real positive influence on this team as it isn't #1 likely.

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Sounds great in theory.

Until they all suffer from from 2 or 3 of:

a) half the fanbase owns his jersey
b) is super clutch
C) will be the best of the bunch
D) is friends with other super important teammate.

and then youre stuck with all the midgets.

what about straight up trading the druoin pick away for a stud Dman like McD.
Depends what the trade market is like - if you were insistent on getting a top D via trade, if might make more sense to trade Eberle for a D and draft Drouin (in the unlikely event he's available when EDM picks), depending what the returns would be for Eberle or for the pick.

*edit*

Also, specifically with McDonagh, it might make more sense to just offer sheet him, then you would have both the pick and McDonagh - the pick is potentially more valuable than the 1st+2nd+3rd it might cost you in compensation to sign McDonagh to an offer sheet


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Depends what the trade market is like - if you were insistent on getting a top D via trade, if might make more sense to trade Eberle for a D and draft Drouin, depending what the returns would be for Eberle or for the pick.

*edit*

Also, specifically with McDonagh, it might make more sense to just offer sheet him, then you would have both the pick and McDonagh - the pick is potentially more valuable than the 1st+2nd+3rd it might cost you in compensation to sign McDonagh to an offer sheet
Offer sheet would be an interesting idea as the Rangers are in cap trouble. Problem is is that you would have to make it a ridiculous amount for the Rangers not to match and take the picks. They would just match and deal other people away, or buy out Richards.

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Sounds great in theory.




Until they all suffer from from 2 or 3 of:



a) half the fanbase owns his jersey
b) is super clutch
C) will be the best of the bunch
D) is friends with other super important teammate.




and then youre stuck with all the midgets.



what about straight up trading the druoin pick away for a stud Dman like McD.
How are any of those things issues? Ovechkin's friend got dealt I don't see him crying. Iggy got dealt so who cares about the jersey aspect. If he is the best of the bunch/super clutch then you don't move him.

Are we really in the mentality that all of Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak and Schultz will play their whole careers here?

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