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05-10-2013, 06:26 PM
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I *hope* Scheifele turns way better than Kadri (no guarantees)...

In the regular season Nazem was getting the luckiest On-Ice SH% I've seen in a decent game sample... ever.

This playoff series he's actually had normal shooting percentages, so his production this series is more per minute of icetime as Toronto fans should expect.
(edit: which is lower than Antropov or Wellwood this season).
I hope he turns out better than Kadri as well. Not comparing the players, just discussing the seasoning that Kadri got with the Marlies.

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O'Dell pretty much has to be in the mix now that he will be waiver eligible.

2nd line RW or 3rd line C/RW could and perhaps should be in play depending on what happens in free agency. I am really looking forward to the internal battles for roster spots next year. Hopefully Burmi, Scheifele and O'Dell can push eachother and Olli. No more of players being handed roster spots due to lack of options.
What's the deadline for buying out Jokinen?

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What's the deadline for buying out Jokinen?
i don't know how this is still being brought up. it's not going to happen. he's not the worst hockey player in the world and if we bought him out we'd be paying him to play for someone else. he's due to bounce back and even in the worst case scenario he's still not the worst player on the team. i'm hoping he's going to have to earn his spot a bit more next year but i definitely don't think a buyout is realistic

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i don't know how this is still being brought up. it's not going to happen. he's not the worst hockey player in the world and if we bought him out we'd be paying him to play for someone else. he's due to bounce back and even in the worst case scenario he's still not the worst player on the team. i'm hoping he's going to have to earn his spot a bit more next year but i definitely don't think a buyout is realistic
Stop with that common sense!

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05-11-2013, 11:52 AM
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We have 4 quality NHL centres at this point, but we don't have 4 RW's. Scheifele shoots right. A lot of young players who play centre in juniors start their pro careers on the wing (Stamkos, Tavares, etc). I see no reason why we can't see Scheif start the season on the wing next to Burm (and hopefully Antropov).

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We have 4 quality NHL centres at this point, but we don't have 4 RW's. Scheifele shoots right. A lot of young players who play centre in juniors start their pro careers on the wing (Stamkos, Tavares, etc). I see no reason why we can't see Scheif start the season on the wing next to Burm (and hopefully Antropov).
Personally, I see Scheifele's game much more suited to centre. He gave it a go in the world juniors, but his overall game is much better suited to the middle IMO.

If it were up to me I'd move Burmi or even Jokinin to the wing first.

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Personally, I see Scheifele's game much more suited to centre. He gave it a go in the world juniors, but his overall game is much better suited to the middle IMO.

If it were up to me I'd move Burmi or even Jokinin to the wing first.
Both of those guys shoot left, so that wouldn't help our search for a RW. We're fine on the left side with Ladd, Kane, Tangradi and Wright. Our RW's at this point are Wheeler, Thorburn and Peluso.

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Personally, I see Scheifele's game much more suited to centre. He gave it a go in the world juniors, but his overall game is much better suited to the middle IMO.

If it were up to me I'd move Burmi or even Jokinin to the wing first.
Agreed.

I could see Scheifele making a transition to wing at some point in his career, but his hockey sense and vision seem much better utilized at centre, whereas his lack of explosive skating hampers him a bit on the wing.

Another thing is that his wheelhouse, so to speak, really seems to be that area below the faceoff dot just to the left (his left, goalie's right) of goal. Putting him at RW is going to take him away from that spot.

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I really can't see Scheifele on the wing - I think that would be a waste of his potential. He's so comfortable and responsible in the middle of the ice, and does such a great job of making his wingers more successful while also playing the sniper role: playing on the wing really doesn't play to his strengths, IMHO. I'd rather see him spend time in the AHL working on his game at centre than move him directly to wing in the NHL.

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I really can't see Scheifele on the wing - I think that would be a waste of his potential. He's so comfortable and responsible in the middle of the ice, and does such a great job of making his wingers more successful while also playing the sniper role: playing on the wing really doesn't play to his strengths, IMHO. I'd rather see him spend time in the AHL working on his game at centre than move him directly to wing in the NHL.
I realize I could've worded it better, instead of just implying that while Stamkos and Tavares started at wing they have since moved back to centre, but putting Scheifele at RW would clearly just be for the short term. The fact is, we are desperate for a RW or 2, and Scheif seems to be the most legitimate option from our centremen to move over there.

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Burmi should not be on the wing, he needs to be a C with fast wingers to kick his bad habits.

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Scheifele could see some time on the RW next season. It's certainly possible. But long term, he's a center either way.

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I would like to see Burmi, Scheifele and Lowry all developed at centre. The more centres the better, especially when it comes to high upside players.

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LLW
Kane-Scheifele-Burmistrov
UFA-Jokinen-UFA
Tangradi-Slater-Wright

I shall keep driving this in until Noel/Chevy send me a confirmation email

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I would like to see Burmi, Scheifele and Lowry all developed at centre. The more centres the better, especially when it comes to high upside players.
OTOH, I could see Burmi, Scheifele and Lowry all on the same line at some point.

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OTOH, I could see Burmi, Scheifele and Lowry all on the same line at some point.
um, highly doubt it.

can't think of a worse player to but with Mark than Burmistrov. Mr Bad Habits going with your rookie centre? yikes.

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um, highly doubt it.

can't think of a worse player to but with Mark than Burmistrov. Mr Bad Habits going with your rookie centre? yikes.
Here we go again. I take it you are not in the pro-Burmi camp.
Just remember, Mr Bad Habits is generally considered to have shown at least as good a skill set as Scheifele in the only year he was allowed to play in Barrie. They are less than a year and a half apart in age...is it fair that we coddle Scheif but crucify Burmi for his imperfect adjustment to the pros?
If Scheif were to move up from 3C to 2C in 14/15 to play with Burmi, he (Scheif) would no longer be a rookie and Burmi, given the time to develop, may just have lost some some of his Bad Habits.

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LLW
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UFA-Jokinen-UFA
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I shall keep driving this in until Noel/Chevy send me a confirmation email
Get Tangradi off there and you may be on to something.

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Scheif still has a long way to go, IMO. He is coming along nicely. I hope that He, Lowry, Trouba and Redmond all spend the year on the Rock and do some damage together while the Franchise adjusts to the West.

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Here we go again. I take it you are not in the pro-Burmi camp.
Just remember, Mr Bad Habits is generally considered to have shown at least as good a skill set as Scheifele in the only year he was allowed to play in Barrie. They are less than a year and a half apart in age...is it fair that we coddle Scheif but crucify Burmi for his imperfect adjustment to the pros?
If Scheif were to move up from 3C to 2C in 14/15 to play with Burmi, he (Scheif) would no longer be a rookie and Burmi, given the time to develop, may just have lost some some of his Bad Habits.
you can talk about his junior skillset...but that hasn' translated to the bigs. don't care as far as the reasons why. we don't have time machines. can't correct him being rushed. but we can see how he (didn't) fare in the AHL for his brief stint this season. we could see how he was put on the 4th line by Noel. so not sure if you can compare oranges to apples.

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Scheif still has a long way to go, IMO. He is coming along nicely. I hope that He, Lowry, Trouba and Redmond all spend the year on the Rock and do some damage together while the Franchise adjusts to the West.
Regardless of whether or not one or all of them show that they deserve a spot in the NHL?

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Both of those guys shoot left, so that wouldn't help our search for a RW. We're fine on the left side with Ladd, Kane, Tangradi and Wright. Our RW's at this point are Wheeler, Thorburn and Peluso.
I hear ya, and agree with you. We could see Scheifele on RW next year in a short term basis. I just wouldn't prefer it. I would probably put Burmi or Joki on their off side first.
But that's another reason why I think it would be a good move to see what it would take to get Hemsky. If the price is as low as some Oiler fans think (mid pick), you could put Kane and Hemsky together, and whomever of Scheifele, Burmi, or Joki was playing well.
It would be interesting to know what the org thinks the Future is for Burmi. If they want Lowry in the middle, at the least you should have your 2/3 centres in Scheifele and Lowry. Where does Burmi fit long term?

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I hear ya, and agree with you. We could see Scheifele on RW next year in a short term basis. I just wouldn't prefer it. I would probably put Burmi or Joki on their off side first.
But that's another reason why I think it would be a good move to see what it would take to get Hemsky. If the price is as low as some Oiler fans think (mid pick), you could put Kane and Hemsky together, and whomever of Scheifele, Burmi, or Joki was playing well.
It would be interesting to know what the org thinks the Future is for Burmi. If they want Lowry in the middle, at the least you should have your 2/3 centres in Scheifele and Lowry. Where does Burmi fit long term?
Eric O'Dell will be in the mix at RW too. He is a right handed shot and looked good next to Burmi on the Rock.

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Scheif still has a long way to go, IMO. He is coming along nicely. I hope that He, Lowry, Trouba and Redmond all spend the year on the Rock and do some damage together while the Franchise adjusts to the West.
I believe Redmond is waiver eligible next year. I can't see him making it through.

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I believe Redmond is waiver eligible next year. I can't see him making it through.
I think Redmond sticks in NHL. May be a 6/7 dman but he should be in Winnipeg. IMO, has more upside than Postma. Really question Postma's ability to defend.

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