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04-21-2013, 05:53 AM
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Emelin really was the lynchpin of the D. So frustrating to have this many NHL Dmen but barely any physical ones. As much as our prospect depth is on the blueline, we need a MAJOR restructuring of HOW our defence works. As I said in another thread, at this point we need to rethink our current Defence, disregarding vet status or experience. Focus on roles, and what roles we're missing.

Subban, Pateryn, Tinordi, Boullion all have grit.

Gorges is playing the worst hockey he's played in a long time, maybe ever. Demote him and let him find his game.

Subban and Markov are obviously mainstays, making one of Diaz and Weber redundant (obviously Diaz is better)

Tinordi-Subban (Let Tinordi stay back and keep it simple while Subban attacks)
Markov-Diaz (Softest minutes)
Gorges-Pateryn/Boullion (Shut down stay at home pair. Boullion would be my #7, I'm high on Pateryn as a #6 right now.)
Yup. We can't evaluate our players' value over their role, eg Weber is better than Pateryn so let's play him. (Or Halpern is better than White but that's another discussion.) Physicality is picking up and the opposition is gaining our zone by skating through our D, while at the other end they rub our F out against the boards. We had just ONE good physical defenceman, losing Emelin exposed our softness.

Don't know what we're even arguing about this, the former captain of the Kelowna Rockets said it himself for crying out loud.

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04-21-2013, 05:58 AM
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Don't know what we're even arguing about this, the former captain of the Kelowna Rockets said it himself for crying out loud.
Pretty sure Gorges' point was that individuals and the team need to look at how they're playing though and not 'the coach should bench me'.

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04-21-2013, 07:44 AM
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All but one guy on the team, (and the one D-man gone for the season) the habs have been real soft for years now , it's pitifully to watch and a shame really !!! I do miss the
habs of old, back when teams like Philly , Tronna (see cherry) , Nords and the B's came
to town and the habs would go toe to toe with all off these team's.

She's gone boys, she's gone , the ass has fallen out of her !!!

Been a hockey fan for over 40 yrs, nowadays, I turn the game on tv or steaming but
I never really watch it any more, its not hockey, it's more like ... tune in and see
how much money I make playing the game and If I have a lot of bad nights , please
don't boo me...see gomez !!!

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Is Pacioretty still considered here as a power forward? He plays so soffff. Desharnais softness has rubbed on him already.

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04-21-2013, 08:19 AM
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Is Pacioretty still considered here as a power forward? He plays so soffff. Desharnais softness has rubbed on him already.
Max has been on the perimiter way too much...these guys have to go to the net...simple really...

The entire team needs to look in the mirror and challenge themselves, as a team we are playing way to soft...the first 40 games were great, and when they clinched...

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04-21-2013, 08:31 AM
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As I said before the game, softest D in the league. And as whole team, just a team waiting to be humiliated everytime they for some kind of reasons want to start some **** or even try to defend themselves. And Emelin won't change all of that. Pretty tough on the checks, can't handle a fight. And even if he could, it's just one player. Just like Prust is 1 player. Or Bouillon is 1 player. A TEAM is more than that. And it's more than fighting and icing a bunch of goons also.

I hope that Bergevin addresses what the past management was totally unable to see. They've build a team that, in this regard, was a total shame compared to what the real HABS were before. A great mix of talent and grit. We ****ING invented that style. Not the Bruins. Not the Wings. Not the Leafs. WE DID. And somehow, this travesty of management, starting with one of the toughest guy that has played the game, just totally forgot what the Montreal Canadiens were all about. A shame really. Let's turn this around. It's not about to adapt to the tough Bruins or the tough Leafs. It's to be the Montreal Canadiens.

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04-21-2013, 08:33 AM
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Is Pacioretty still considered here as a power forward? He plays so soffff. Desharnais softness has rubbed on him already.
Pacioretty seems to suffer from the Latendresse syndrom. When Lats ended Di Maio's career, he went all soft. Pacioretty was associated with a quite a few dirty checks and he now seems to be way too much passive.

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04-21-2013, 09:15 AM
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How is Desharnais soft? Incredibly weak for an adult male? Yes. Soft? Not even a little.

Unless the definition of soft has went from playing passively and not going to dirty areas into weak, then my bad.

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Reporter:Why are you struggling right now?
Gorges: We're soft.


Who do you think on the habs is the softest player?

I call on David Desharnais
That's like asking who's fart smells worst...

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How is Desharnais soft? Incredibly weak for an adult male? Yes. Soft? Not even a little.

Unless the definition of soft has went from playing passively and not going to dirty areas into weak, then my bad.
Completely agree with you. The number of mindless posts in this thread is ridiculous. For some reason people here want to equate soft to not being able to stay on your feet after a hit???

This is definitely not a softteam as the compete level is generally higher than most teams. It would definitely be nice to see Pacioretty hit like he did when he first came up. His perimeter play is absolutely unacceptapble. Desharnais struggles are directly linked to Pacioretty's refusal to drive the net and take defenders with him. It is that extra space where Desharnais is so dangerous.

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04-21-2013, 09:29 AM
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Carey Price.

He hasn't dropped the gloves since that Tim Thomas fight.
Never get's to the dirty area's.
For such a big guy he never throw's a good check.
Has the lowest shots on goal on the team.
Can't keep puck possession for longer than a minute.. Just passes or cover's the puck.

The guy is soft as a bum.

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04-21-2013, 09:33 AM
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Price is our biggest player smh

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One thing I could see is the Habs going hard for a guy like Pascal Dupuis. He seems like he could answer some needs for your team. He can be a pretty gritty player.
Dupuis would be stupid to leave Pittsburgh. He should give half his salary to Crosby and keep playing on a line with him going forward

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Pacioretty seems to suffer from the Latendresse syndrom. When Lats ended Di Maio's career, he went all soft. Pacioretty was associated with a quite a few dirty checks and he now seems to be way too much passive.
Everything about this is true.

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How is Desharnais soft? Incredibly weak for an adult male? Yes. Soft? Not even a little.

Unless the definition of soft has went from playing passively and not going to dirty areas into weak, then my bad.
True. Desharnais is always chasing the puck to the boards and playing his man hard. Problem is he usually loses those battles. But that doesn't make him soft. Weak is the proper term you are right.

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Emelin really was the lynchpin of the D. So frustrating to have this many NHL Dmen but barely any physical ones. As much as our prospect depth is on the blueline, we need a MAJOR restructuring of HOW our defence works. As I said in another thread, at this point we need to rethink our current Defence, disregarding vet status or experience. Focus on roles, and what roles we're missing.
I have said this from the beginning of the year. As much as Gorges is a heart and soul guy, he is not a physical defenseman. Neither are Markov, Weber, Diaz, Drewiske, Kaberle or Beaulieu. Bouillon could fit into the category but while he is physical, he is not intimidating because of his size. That leaves Emelin.

I know it's a flawed stat but we have one defenseman with more than 75 hits on the year. The Leafs have four. As a team the Leafs have over 700 hits on the season and we have about 350. You tell me which defense is tougher to play against.

On the ice, Gorges is an expensive Davis Drewiske. In the dressing room he is probably considered one of the leaders on the team but his ice time and salary is out of proportion to what he brings to the game. I like Gorges but he can't be our #1 defenseman in terms of even strength ice time.

Markov has become more of a PP specialist than anything. At even strength he has been one of our weakest players.

At this point Emelin is our mainstay on the physical side and at his salary he is being paid reasonably for that role. Subban is our maintstay on the offensive side. The team needs to build around these two guys and everyone else's position should be up for evaluation.

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People saying Desharnais isn't soft need to pay more attention to him when he doesn't have the puck. Defensively, all he does is tries poking at the puck with his stick then skates past the guy instead of trying to at least play the body or lifting the guys stick up. Also probably like 4 or 5 times a game instead of trying to win a puck on the boards in the offensive zone and taking a hit like Gallagher would he just pokes his stick at the puck and tries jumping around the defenseman. I'm not saying he has to play like a Gallagher but if he wants to keep playing in the NHL he needs to get his nose dirtier and be tougher in these battles.

To be honest I don't think we have that many "soft" players, its just we have too many smaller guys who lose battles and our bigger guys like Pacioretty, Bourque, Moen etc don't play as physical as they should for guys their size so overall we end up having a soft team.

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Habs are *******.

What a pathetic team.

Out in the first round. I'm taking out a second mortgage and betting against them first round.

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Another reason for me to hate Gorges. Calling out your team as 'soft' during a slump, when you are indeed... one of the softest players on the team. Must be nice for his team to read these quotes, I'm sure they are chuckling to themselves.

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Is Pacioretty still considered here as a power forward? He plays so soffff. Desharnais softness has rubbed on him already.
He gets frustrated and throws a hit, or two.

Gallagher started off hitting everything and has toned it down a lot.

The whole team is soft and better be addressed in the off season.

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Another reason for me to hate Gorges. Calling out your team as 'soft' during a slump, when you are indeed... one of the softest players on the team. Must be nice for his team to read these quotes, I'm sure they are chuckling to themselves.
How is Gorges soft? He's out there blocking 100 mph shots every shift and always taking hits despite not being that big.

Also this is the actual quote, he didn't flat out criticize the team and say"WE'RE SOFT". But go ahead and make it sound like Gorges is a terrible teammate.

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The Canadiens aren’t playing the tight checking game that they’ve played for most of the season, said defenceman Josh Gorges.

“We have to get back to playing that tight five-man unit,” he said.

“You can talk about Xs and Os and execution and systems–we were soft,” Gorges said.

“When you get beat off pucks, beat out of the corners, we’re loose on our coverage, we’re not picking up the right guys. That’s why it looks like the execution is not there.”

Gorges also defended teammate Carey Price who was subjected to some sarcastic cheers on Saturday.

“I’ve never understood that. In your home building… He’s been outstanding for us, for years. And this isn’t on him. You kidding me…This is on all of us,” Gorges said.

“He’s out there battling every night to be his best and we let him down. One or two goals I’m sure he might like to have back. But the rest is on the team. And for them to mock him, I don’t like that. It doesn’t help us. It doesn’t help him.

“I understand frustration. I understand people being upset. We’re upset, too. No one is happy with this. But mocking someone doesn’t help.”

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So tired of Dumbass Gorges opening his mouth, trying to act as Mark Messier. What about you actually try to make one good play on the ice per game ???? Thanks.

Future captain my ass, **** him.

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How is Gorges soft? He's out there blocking 100 mph shots every shift and always taking hits despite not being that big.

Also this is the actual quote, he didn't flat out criticize the team and say"WE'RE SOFT". But go ahead and make it sound like Gorges is a terrible teammate.
Here we go again, another Gorges fan bringing up the same detail over and over again. 100mph shots? lol. Are we playing Weber and Chara every other night now? Exaggerate the average NHL slapshot much?

Oh, and watching Josh throw himself all over the ice, putting himself out of position, isn't exactly a treat for some of us. Watching the rest of the blueline trying to take the body, block a shot, instead of playing the position.. that is also irritating.

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Pretty sure that the "soft" label has nothing to do with blocking shots, or even kept being hit but go back up. Call it bravery, call it tenacity. Call it how you want. But the "soft" that most people talk about is from fighting, to checking hard and being the aggressor, to at the very least not continuously losing your 1 on 1 battles. To stop being proactive defensively and not letting the other guy lose you in the slot and so on.

2nd in the league with most blocked shots...Andrew McDonald. Tell me how "gritty" you always thought he was? But now that you know that he's 2nd in blocked shots, he's now immensely gritty and NOT soft? Mark Streit is 31st in blocked shots....Chris Phillips is 46th, Kronwall is 48th, Chara is 66th...all those guys are softer than Streit? Markov is 78th, Erskine is 110th...Markov is tougher?

Blocked shots is a gift. And is really brave. But enough to explain who is soft and who is tough? Not even close. But then if you ADD that trait to an already grit guy, well then it confirms it even more.

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As I said before the game, softest D in the league. And as whole team, just a team waiting to be humiliated everytime they for some kind of reasons want to start some **** or even try to defend themselves. And Emelin won't change all of that. Pretty tough on the checks, can't handle a fight. And even if he could, it's just one player. Just like Prust is 1 player. Or Bouillon is 1 player. A TEAM is more than that. And it's more than fighting and icing a bunch of goons also.

I hope that Bergevin addresses what the past management was totally unable to see. They've build a team that, in this regard, was a total shame compared to what the real HABS were before. A great mix of talent and grit. We ****ING invented that style. Not the Bruins. Not the Wings. Not the Leafs. WE DID. And somehow, this travesty of management, starting with one of the toughest guy that has played the game, just totally forgot what the Montreal Canadiens were all about. A shame really. Let's turn this around. It's not about to adapt to the tough Bruins or the tough Leafs. It's to be the Montreal Canadiens.
I am missing the Odeleins, the Keanes, the McPhees, the Lemieux.... All guys who could play and hit.

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