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05-02-2013, 10:23 PM
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I disagree with this rebuild talk. Rebuilding is a ****ing nightmare, ask coiler fans about that. The Sedins are basically pure play makers (and will continue to be for a long time) but we don't have any shooters to pull the trigger. it has been this way for how long now? I mean really, get some shooters on this team. look how much better we were with Salo, and Ehrhoff. Imagine if we had legit shooters on the wing in the top 6. It would be like night and day IMO.
I disagree, I think with Roy, Kesler, and Daniel we have pretty good shooters. If we move Burrows off of the Sedin line I think he would be in a similar situation as Raymond where he doesn't really fit in with the lineup. I would rather have

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Roy

than lose Roy and have Burrows in his spot. Of course if Roy doesn't resign then I think we look at adding a sniper to the Sedin line.

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The Sedins have said after their current contracts run out they'd like to do 1 year deals at a reduced price.
I know, but how reduced will be the deciding factor.

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It looks a hell of a lot better than now. Trading Edler for Couturier would be great for now and the future. I would still like to see Higgins replaced with a top 6 sniper if possible.. but now I'm probably being greedy.

I would also put Kesler with the Sedins full time. If he doesnt like it trade him for a legit winger.
I wouldn't be against moving Burrows or Kesler to make room for signing Iginla or another sniper if one becomes available due to buy-out.

And my trade would be Edler + Schroeder for Couturier.

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05-02-2013, 10:24 PM
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It's not a terrible idea to try to get a future franchise player by tanking, given this teams lack of a future.

But on the topic of cutting the fat, how about something like this for next season?
The Canucks will have their time to tank in a few years if the Sedins continue to fade and Gillis can't support them adequately. You don't intentionally tank when you're still a top 5 team in your conference.

That roster looks fine on paper, however, it's 1 injury on the backend away from being a disaster. Going with poor blueline depth is a recipe for failure.

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05-02-2013, 10:27 PM
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Move Kesler to sign 37 year old iginla....that stuff must be expensive that you're smoking.

You take, kesler, burrows, and Bieksa from this team all the compete just flew out the window.

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It looks a hell of a lot better than now. Trading Edler for Couturier would be great for now and the future. I would still like to see Higgins replaced with a top 6 sniper if possible.. but now I'm probably being greedy.

I would also put Kesler with the Sedins full time. If he doesnt like it trade him for a legit winger. he should be traded anywyas because he's always injured.
Trading Higgins if he has chemistry with Kesler and Roy would be a mistake due to his cap hit. I doubt you could get a sniper for his price.

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05-02-2013, 10:28 PM
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Move Kesler to sign 37 year old iginla....that stuff must be expensive that you're smoking.

You take, kesler, burrows, and Bieksa from this team all the compete just flew out the window.
I mentioned that we should entertain moving Kesler at the end of last year's playoffs, figuring his value may never be higher. Too bad he was injured though. I figure, with his style of play there is no way his body will hold up as he gets older. He'll become ineffective and won't be worth his contract in a couple of years time.

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05-02-2013, 10:30 PM
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The Canucks will have their time to tank in a few years if the Sedins continue to fade and Gillis can't support them adequately. You don't intentionally tank when you're still a top 5 team in your conference.

That roster looks fine on paper, however, it's 1 injury on the backend away from being a disaster. Going with poor blueline depth is a recipe for failure.
it's a risk you have to take to build a real team.

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05-02-2013, 10:31 PM
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It's not a terrible idea to try to get a future franchise player by tanking, given this teams lack of a future.

But on the topic of cutting the fat, how about something like this for next season?

Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (4.5)
Higgins (2.5) - Roy* (5) - Kesler (5)
Torres* (1.75) - Couturier* (1.375) - Hansen (1.35)
McGratton* (1) - Lapierre (1.1) - Kassian (0.87)
Nystrom* (0.75)

Offense: $37.395M

Hamhuis (4.5) - Bieksa (4.6)
Garrison (4.6) - Tanev (1.35)
Redden (2) - Corrado (0.6)
Hannan (0.75) - Sanguinetti (0.85)

Defense: $19.25M

Schneider (4)
Lack (0.75)

Team: $61.395M
I like that lineup although I don't know much about Redden. I expect Corrado will be in the AHL for most of next year and will be the first call up (like Tanev was) so I think someone else will be the 6th defenseman. I just realized that Edler is the only piece of the core without a NTC so I think he will be moved as well if we make significant changes.

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05-02-2013, 10:32 PM
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Trading Higgins if he has chemistry with Kesler and Roy would be a mistake due to his cap hit. I doubt you could get a sniper for his price.
fair enough. would likely have to trade Kesler for a young winger or two to make that happen. I like Higgins btw, just not in the top 6.

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05-02-2013, 10:33 PM
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I mentioned that we should entertain moving Kesler at the end of last year's playoffs, figuring his value may never be higher. Too bad he was injured though. I figure, with his style of play there is no way his body will hold up as he gets older. He'll become ineffective and won't be worth his contract in a couple of years time.
If you're going to trade him, do it for picks and don't sign a 37 year old.

Go full tank.

Getting rid of the competitive players who actually play wih emotion and hate losing outwardly is a huge mistake.

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05-02-2013, 10:35 PM
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I mentioned that we should entertain moving Kesler at the end of last year's playoffs, figuring his value may never be higher. Too bad he was injured though. I figure, with his style of play there is no way his body will hold up as he gets older. He'll become ineffective and won't be worth his contract in a couple of years time.
Kesler will have to adapt to survive but I think he has a good four years left until he starts to fall apart. Although Packaging him and a prospect for a prospect who naturally plays the wing would be great.

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05-02-2013, 10:44 PM
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of course all these changes will mean nothing if AV is leading the way.

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05-02-2013, 10:45 PM
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If you're going to trade him, do it for picks and don't sign a 37 year old.

Go full tank.

Getting rid of the competitive players who actually play wih emotion and hate losing outwardly is a huge mistake.
I'm fine going full tank as well:

Nicklas Jensen ($0.894m) / Jordan Schroeder ($0.851m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Chris Higgins ($2.500m) / Alexandre Mallet ($0.925m) / Dale Weise ($0.677m)
Tom Sestito ($0.666m) / Kellan Lain ($0.874m) / Darren Archibald ($0.660m)
Steve Pinizzotto ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Chris Tanev ($0.851m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Frank Corrado ($0.599m)
Derek Joslin ($0.735m) / Cam Barker ($0.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Jose Theodore ($12.860m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)


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05-02-2013, 10:54 PM
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Edler for TB's 1 st [Top 3]? Not only adding a potential franchise players you also gain cap space to take a run at an Iginla like Y2K mentioned.

Sedin-Sedin-Iginla
Burrows-Kesler-Drouin
Higgins-Roy-Hansen
Torres-Lapierre-Kassian

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Tanev
Redden-Corrado

Schneider
Lack

Move Lu. Buyout Ballard and Booth. Don't know if it works cap wise but it looks nice on paper.

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One thing is clear the excess salaries of Ballard, Booth, Lou, Malholtra and maybe Raymond will help us come under the cap but we will need to fill the holes with ELC contracts. So next year we will see Corrado, Jensen, Shoreder and maybe even Gaunce fill some holes.

Expecting this lineup:

Sedin - Sedin - Burr
Roy (hopefully) - Kes - Higgins
Jensen - Shoreder - Hansen
Wiese - Lappy (hopefully) - Kassian

Corrado - Edler
Bieksa - Hamuis
Garrison - Tanev

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05-02-2013, 11:15 PM
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One thing for certain is that Raymond cannot be brought back for any price tag. The way things are called in the playoffs Raymond does not have a prayer. 16 points in 52 career playoff games, which is a 25 point pace over 82 games. Given the lack of grit Raymond brings, that he tends to avoid taking the hit to make the play, I just don't see any way a team that aspires to win a Stanley Cup can carry a passenger like Raymond in the playoffs.

I've never been a Raymond hater, but he just doesn't fit what a team needs to win in the playoffs. Time to let him move on.

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05-02-2013, 11:19 PM
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One thing is clear the excess salaries of Ballard, Booth, Lou, Malholtra and maybe Raymond will help us come under the cap but we will need to fill the holes with ELC contracts. So next year we will see Corrado, Jensen, Shoreder and maybe even Gaunce fill some holes.

Expecting this lineup:

Sedin - Sedin - Burr
Roy (hopefully) - Kes - Higgins
Jensen - Shoreder - Hansen
Wiese - Lappy (hopefully) - Kassian

Corrado - Edler
Bieksa - Hamuis
Garrison - Tanev

Schneider
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I don't think Jensen is ready for the NHL, I think Torres should take his spot on that line. Also, why were people saying Roy couldn't be resigned? It seems to be pretty easy to do so. Were people assuming that he would be playing center instead of on the 2nd line?

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05-02-2013, 11:34 PM
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I would be very happy with this team next season

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
Chris Higgins ($2.500m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Derek Roy ($5.000m)
Raffi Torres ($2.000m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Dale Weise ($0.677m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.200m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
DEFENSEMEN
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Chris Tanev ($1.250m) / Wade Redden* ($1.500m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,721,500; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $578,500

+ A new coach

Redden can be any Dman worth around 1.5-2m

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05-02-2013, 11:59 PM
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I'd trade Edler for one of Jones/Mackinnon/Drouin in a ****ing heartbeat. We desperately need young talent to come in and shake things up in a big way, like what happened with Montreal this season. The old boys club has gotten far too comfortable.

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I'd trade Edler for one of Jones/Mackinnon/Drouin in a ****ing heartbeat. We desperately need young talent to come in and shake things up in a big way, like what happened with Montreal this season. The old boys club has gotten far too comfortable.
It's not Galchenyuk though that's rocked the boat. It's their 5th round pick.

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It's not Galchenyuk though that's rocked the boat. It's their 5th round pick.
If you are saying our amateur scouting overall needs to be better, you are bang on.

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If you are saying our amateur scouting overall needs to be better, you are bang on.
I've given up on our scouting, it's never going to improve. I'm convinced that a prospects dad buys Delorme a case of beer and he auto drafts his kid unless Gillis intervenes.

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Some third liners interest me.

Rob Niedermayer
Vinny Prospal
Raffi Torres

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Some third liners interest me.

Rob Niedermayer
Vinny Prospal
Raffi Torres
Rob Niedermayer?!! I hope you're joking.

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Rob Niedermayer?!! I hope you're joking.
But...his work ethic!

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