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02-13-2013, 06:54 PM
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Is Mario Lemieux a bit overrated?

In his 1995-96 and 2000-01 Stats - close to 50% of his total Goals and Assists came from the POWERPLAY - not that impressive when you look at the whole picture.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=4011



If you look in the top ES Goal Scoring Seasons - Lemieux is not even in the top 10.


In fact he has only led the league ONCE in ES GOALS!

http://www.hockey-reference.com/lead...ev_yearly.html

http://www.hockey-reference.com/lead...ev_season.html

Also All his His International stats are average (except for the 87' playing with Gretzky and the ref's)

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Yeah, he was no good at hockey.

From wikipedia:
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5 goals in different ways in one game (shorthanded, full strength, powerplay, penalty shot, and empty net) (December 31, 1988, against the New Jersey Devils; only player to accomplish the feat) - Not an officially recognized NHL record.
Shorthanded goals, season (13 in 1988–89)
Goals, period (4, 26 January 1997, shares record)
Only player to score 30+ power-play goals in two different seasons
One of only two players to score 10 or more short-handed goals in two different seasons. The other, Wayne Gretzky.
Most goals scored or assisted on, season (57.3% of team's goals, 1988–89)
Only player with three 8-point games
Only player with three 8-point games in one Season
Four career 5-goal games (shares record)
Best goals per game in the regular season and playoffs at .750 (Mike Bossy is second with .747)
Third best goals per game in the regular season at .754 (Bossy is first with .762, Cy Denneny is second with .756)

All-Star Game

Career goals (13, shares record)
Goals in a single-game (4 in 1990, shares record)
Points in a single-game (6 in 1988)
MVP awards (3, shares record)

Playoffs

Goals in a single period (4, shares record)
Goals in a single game (5, shares record)
Points in a single period (4, shares record)
Points in a single game (8, shares record)
Best goals per game in the playoffs at .710 (Bossy is second with .659)

Mario Lemieux's retired #66 and Michel Brière's retired #21 hanging above the scoreboard at Consol Energy Center in December 2010.
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Games (915)
Goals, career (690)
Assists, career (1033)
Points, career (1723)
Longest goal-scoring streak (12 games)
Longest point streak (46 games)
Goals, season (85 in 1988–89)
Assists, season (114 in 1988–89)
Points, season (199 in 1988–89)
Goals, game (5, four occasions including playoffs)
Assists, game (6, three occasions, shares record)
Points, game (8, three occasions including playoffs)

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Ya, he was a pretty m'eh player

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It's a good thing that the powerplay is an important part of hockey.

I saw him torch the Senators for 5 points when he was old in his post-cancer form.

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That's actually pretty interesting and a good find on your part, but it doesn't change my opinion on him.

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Hey, don't drop Mike, he's a cool guy..

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He was awful

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We should have traded him for a 7th rounder when we had the chance.

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blasphemy!

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He was better than Gretzky.

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How much is a bit?

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I heard Bobby Orr had terrible relative CORSI. He's a dud!

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Maybe he's an overrated dresser.

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or did other teams just take a lot of penalties trying to defend him?

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Sorry man I forgot that powerplays weren't part of the game? The fact that he could score so much on the powerplay just goes to show that he will score if you make a mistake. He's not overrated at all, he is one of the top 5 players in the history of this game, along with, in my opinion, Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Maurice Richard, and Patrick Roy. Legends, you cannot deny what Lemieux accomplished. He is the ONLY player to have ever even come close to 200 points besides Gretzky, how can he be overrated? Give your head a shake. If the guy was Russian or American or Swedish or whatever and had the exact same career he'd still be thought of in the exact same way

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This is a problem with people that are too young to have watched a player play.

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Mike Bossy only led the league once. One of the greatest snipers, ever.

Guy Lafleur only managed it one time more than Mario, and that's despite being on a team that won, like, 47 cups in a row.

Oh, lookey, Phil Esposito also only did it once more than Mario.

 
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He was underrated if anything.

Sometimes he's taken out of the discussion of the top 2 player of all time and this bugs me very much.

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I heard Bobby Orr had terrible relative CORSI. He's a dud!
Bobby Orr played in a garage league with no Soviets or Europeans - like 95% Canadian league - and There was the WHA (who beat the NHL more often)

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As someone who actually watched him play and is aware of his all his other attributes, no, he is not overrated. It's incredible that anyone could even think that. Absurd.

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Bobby Orr played in a garage league with no Soviets or Europeans - like 95% Canadian league - and There was the WHA (who beat the NHL more often)
This post sounds like it's serious.

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No way is Mario as a player overrated. He was dominant and so graceful. If not for his health issues, he could have rivaled Gretzky on the top of the all time NHL scoring list. On the other hand, as an owner Mario could be overrated.

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He's unarguably in the top 5 best players of all time, and it can be argued that he's #1. So no, not over rated.

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Your post proves why Mario was the greatest powerplay threat in hockey history. It doesn't prove that he was overrated.

Nothing makes me feel older that young kids trying to use stats to say that the most gifted player of my lifetime was overrated. Yeeesh.

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