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1957 Moscow Selects vs Jr. Canadiens

The touring Moscow Selects played the reinforced Junior Canadiens twice in 1957:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...=5751%2C177066

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...7304%2C1352900

The games were not close. The second game featured the best Leaf and Canadiens Juniors. Interesting sidebar the first meeting featured a Canadian referee with a Ukrainian heritage.

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Interesting. Canadiens' had zero shots to the Soviets 16 in just for the first 8mins in the first game there, going on to win it in commanding performance, then in the next link/game we have some OHL All Stars including Bruce Gamble supplementing the line-up. Then getting annihilated 10-1. Thats a serious hammering. Dont get much worse than that C58.

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OHA Sr A

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Interesting. Canadiens' had zero shots to the Soviets 16 in just for the first 8mins in the first game there, going on to win it in commanding performance, then in the next link/game we have some OHL All Stars including Bruce Gamble supplementing the line-up. Then getting annihilated 10-1. Thats a serious hammering. Dont get much worse than that C58.
1957-58 Junior Canadiens were 17-19 year olds playing in the OHA Sr A league against adults:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...r19721958.html

League standings in link above. The Moscow Selects lost to the top Sr A teams in the league while beating the weaker teams.

The team had problems in goal and on defence allowing almost five goals a game, with a losing record.

The 1957-58 Junior Canadiens also played in a junior league, retaining their Memorial Cup eligibility, which at the end of the season they won:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Memorial_Cup

The 1957-58 OHA Sr A league was a very interesting league. It featured the 1957 Allen Cup champion and 1958 World Champion, Whitby Dunlops and the 1958 Allen Cup champion, 1959 World Champion Belleville McFarlands plus the 1958 Memorial Cup champion Junior Canadiens.

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Ya that Senior League surely was interesting. With the exception of Ottawa-Hull, the teams had quite the eclectic mix of players to say the least. Some in their late 30's late 20's & so on, whereas Ottawa-Hull, all pretty much around 20, 22, 24. Guys like Bobby Rousseau, Ralph Backstrom, JC Tremblay. Late bloomers. Semi-pro a superior environment in many respects to minor-pro. I noticed Claude Ruel in there as well. Tragic loss of site in an eye. Mightve made for a useful conversion from defence to checking forward as he was on the small size. It's really too bad the Seniors dont still exist (well, they do, but not in the same way they once did) in way of a further finishing school for so many players we see today who are rushed into the NHL. I dont believe the CHL, ECHL nor the AHL are particularly adroit nor overly concerned with actual skill development, teaching hockey smarts (which frankly you either have or dont have). Its all about systems, winning now, seats to fill, sponsorships to sell.

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Claude Ruel

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Ya that Senior League surely was interesting. With the exception of Ottawa-Hull, the teams had quite the eclectic mix of players to say the least. Some in their late 30's late 20's & so on, whereas Ottawa-Hull, all pretty much around 20, 22, 24. Guys like Bobby Rousseau, Ralph Backstrom, JC Tremblay. Late bloomers. Semi-pro a superior environment in many respects to minor-pro. I noticed Claude Ruel in there as well. Tragic loss of site in an eye. Mightve made for a useful conversion from defence to checking forward as he was on the small size. It's really too bad the Seniors dont still exist (well, they do, but not in the same way they once did) in way of a further finishing school for so many players we see today who are rushed into the NHL. I dont believe the CHL, ECHL nor the AHL are particularly adroit nor overly concerned with actual skill development, teaching hockey smarts (which frankly you either have or dont have). Its all about systems, winning now, seats to fill, sponsorships to sell.

Claude Ruel adult was Leo Boivin, Bob Baun size.

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I dont believe the CHL, ECHL nor the AHL are particularly adroit nor overly concerned with actual skill development, teaching hockey smarts (which frankly you either have or dont have).
I think some organisations are better than others. I also think minor league development is much more of a thing now then say it was 20 years ago.

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I also think minor league development is much
more of a thing now then say it was 20 years ago.
Are you serious? You think your average ECHL team gives a Frigg about player
or individual "character development" compared to yesteryear sask? Ya nutz?...

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