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Knuble stars again at Worlds along with Modano

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With 18 seconds left in the first period, Mike Knuble gave the U.S its first lead. Aaron Miller threw a shot on net that bounced off Johan Franzen's glove as he tried to catch it and on to the stick of Knuble, who didn't get a whole lot on the shot, although it still went in

"I was in the right spot," Knuble said.


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Just curious, anyone know who is Knuble being paired with in the WC? I don't have great expectations for him as a Flyer, although if he's paired with say, Primeau, he could be pretty effective.

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Just curious, anyone know who is Knuble being paired with in the WC? I don't have great expectations for him as a Flyer, although if he's paired with say, Primeau, he could be pretty effective.
I think you'll see Knuble play on a 2nd line, with Handzus. Give them a speedy playmaking winger, and you could have a nice 2nd line.

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I'm up in Boston and I've watched Knuble play, especially with
big bird Thornton, and I think he's a great pick-up by the Flyers.
This guy is gritty and a "nose to the net" kind of player and how long
has Philly been lacking someone like that? He'll take his punishment
and get his body in front of the net, you know, where the goals
are being scored, something Leclair hasn't done for us in a couple of
years. I know of you don't expect too much, you won't be let down,
but this isn't a sixers thread, is it? Playing on a line with Zeus? Yeah,
I like that.

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Somebody-Carter-Knuble would look pretty good, too.

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Just curious, anyone know who is Knuble being paired with in the WC? I don't have great expectations for him as a Flyer, although if he's paired with say, Primeau, he could be pretty effective.

He's playing with Modano and Cole.

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Somebody-Carter-Knuble would look pretty good, too.
A left wing, speedy, play maker, with first line potential; Kinda sounds like Gagne to me.

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I think you'll see Knuble take Leclair's spot next to Zues, with either Umberger or Branko on the other wing.

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No way Knuble plays with Primeau.

He was brought here to be a goal scoring PF, not a checker.

He could play with Handzus.
I think that is two slow guys on one line, which I don't like.

To have things nice and balanced and make sense in terms of styles, I like..

...Knuble - Roenick - Carter
Gagne - Handzus - Radivojevic
Kapanen - Primeau - Stevenson
Brashear - Richards - Sharp
Somik, Fedoruk

If the Flyers sign a big time winger, you bump Radiohead down to Primeau's line, Stevenson down to the fourth line, and Sharp as the 13 forward or even trade bait.

I like the above lineup I posted though.
If Clarke goes out and gets two really good defensmen, in the "new NHL' that's a pretty good team, and it won't break the bank.

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We are going to have a damn good team whenever hockey starts again...

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Got to say I have to disagree with Brashear on the fourth line. The guy hasn't played a single game since being kicked out of the radio league. He may have been heads and tails above Fridge before but the rust has had to have taken him down a few notches.

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A left wing, speedy, play maker, with first line potential; Kinda sounds like Gagne to me.
I think (hope) you'll see Gagne play on the top line.

Assuming no additions, and Amonte, LeClair and Brashear are gone.

Gagne - Carter - Roenick
Sharp/Umberger - Handzus - Knuble
Kapanen - Primeau - Radivojevic
Stevenson - Richards - Fedoruk

Ex: Somik

Ideally we could use one more winger, preferable a 2nd line playmaking winger

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I think (hope) you'll see Gagne play on the top line.

Assuming no additions, and Amonte, LeClair and Brashear are gone.

Gagne - Carter - Roenick
Sharp/Umberger - Handzus - Knuble
Kapanen - Primeau - Radivojevic
Stevenson - Richards - Fedoruk

Ex: Somik

Ideally we could use one more winger, preferable a 2nd line playmaking winger
I honestly wouldn't be suprised to see Gagne on the first. We don't have the top offensive threat that some teams do so he will be counted on to chip in his thirty+ touch again.

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I think (hope) you'll see Gagne play on the top line.

Assuming no additions, and Amonte, LeClair and Brashear are gone.

Gagne - Carter - Roenick
Sharp/Umberger - Handzus - Knuble
Kapanen - Primeau - Radivojevic
Stevenson - Richards - Fedoruk

Ex: Somik

Ideally we could use one more winger, preferable a 2nd line playmaking winger
Terrible lineup and pairings.

Buying out Brashear, teribble idea.
Stevenson is a middleweight, and Fedoruk is, well, Fedoruk.
No protection at all for Pitkanen, Carter, Gagne, etc etc.

Sharp and Umberger belong nowhere near the second line unless it's with the Phantoms.
Umberger needs another year in the AHL, and Sharp is either a fourth liner or trade bait.

Also, you put the top three scoring threats on one line, and your second line is mediocre.

Terrible, terrible, terrible.

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Terrible lineup and pairings.

Buying out Brashear, teribble idea.
Stevenson is a middleweight, and Fedoruk is, well, Fedoruk.
No protection at all for Pitkanen, Carter, Gagne, etc etc.

Sharp and Umberger belong nowhere near the second line unless it's with the Phantoms.
Umberger needs another year in the AHL, and Sharp is either a fourth liner or trade bait.

Also, you put the top three scoring threats on one line, and your second line is mediocre.

Terrible, terrible, terrible.
#1. Brashear isn't worth $2.2 million in a salary capped world, if he can be brought back for a cheaper price I'm all for it, otherwise, good-bye.

#2. Ideally Sharp would play on a 3rd line., whcih he's certainly more than capable of. We really lack one more winger that can play on lines 1 or 2. When one is signed they'll move into that spot. Also Sharp has the skating ability and offensive instincts to eventually play a 2nd line role.

#3. Umberger likely will play in the AHL next year, but he's certainly ready for the NHL. On another team that didn't have a Carter & Richards ahead of him, he'd be ready to play.

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We need to get rid of one of our centers to make room for Carter and Richards. I really don't want to convert them to wing, since they are great playmakers and faceoff men. I think Handzus and maybe Radio should go for a speedy left winger and a tough top 4 defenseman. We need one of each to really be set, IMO, and those two guys are probably at their respective peaks of trade value (unless Radio really breaks out, and/or makes the conversion to LW). LeClair, Burke, and possibly Amonte will be gone.

Gagne-Zhamnov/UFA-Roenick
Speedy Winger-Carter-Knuble
Sharp-Primeau-Kapanen
Somik/Fridge/Brashear-Richards-Stevenson

Johnsson-Crease Clearer
Markov-Pitkanen
Desjardins(?)-Seidenberg
Timander(?)

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Looks pretty good to me.

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We need to get rid of one of our centers to make room for Carter and Richards.
Zhamnov is a free agent and there's no guarantee he'll be back. I don't see how the Flyers will be able to afford him.

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Gagne-Zhamnov/UFA-Roenick
Speedy Winger-Carter-Knuble
Sharp-Primeau-Kapanen
Somik/Fridge/Brashear-Richards-Stevenson

Johnsson-Crease Clearer
Markov-Pitkanen
Desjardins(?)-Seidenberg
Timander(?)

Esche
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Why on God's green earth do you have Mike Richards centering the 4th line? Especially with wastes of talent around him. Give him somebody good to work with. If I had a chance to redo the lineup, I'd probably do something as follows:

Gagne - Carter - Knuble
Umberger - Zeus - Roenick
Richards - Primeau - Kapanen
Eager - Sharp - Stevenson

As for the defense, I think we're gonna see one more opening. As much as I have liked Rico, he's done. As well, with all the buyouts coming, we might be able to afford another defenseman to add to the rounds.

Johnsson - Opening
Markov- Pitkanen
Opening - Seidenberg
Timander

I have no trouble leaving the goaltending though. That looks really sharp

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Terrible lineup and pairings.

Buying out Brashear, teribble idea.
Stevenson is a middleweight, and Fedoruk is, well, Fedoruk.
No protection at all for Pitkanen, Carter, Gagne, etc etc.

Sharp and Umberger belong nowhere near the second line unless it's with the Phantoms.
Umberger needs another year in the AHL, and Sharp is either a fourth liner or trade bait.

Also, you put the top three scoring threats on one line, and your second line is mediocre.

Terrible, terrible, terrible.
Brashear hasn't protected anyone for years. The guy is the best fighter in the league, and he isn't half hte enforcer that Stevenson or Fedoruk is. Get a tough D man to pair with Pitkanen and you have enough muscle, although ideally (for me at least) they'd play all three. Fighters primes end much quicker than their playing skills, and Brash is at the end of his. In a year or two, he'll not only be a half ass enforcer, but a half assed fighter. Just jetison his expensive contract now and give Fedoruk the job full time. He's never had a chance to play every game and improve on himself. Brash isn't going to get a new contract here anyways, so what are we going to go with after he's done? Gratton? Grant needs a lot of seasoning in the minors.

I don't see why putting Umberger on the second line is such a terrible, terrible, terrible idea.

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Do you really want Richard at LW? I want this guy taking faceoffs and making some plays. And I am not sure if throwing Carter into the first line right away is a good idea, either. Not saying he won't produce, but we don't want the weight of the world on him immediately. Perhaps put Zeus there technically, and make sure we roll the 1st and 2nd lines close to equally? Zeus and Carter 1A and 1B, so to speak? Hitch kinda likes to do that, anyway. Primeau's "3rd" line logs a ton of minutes shutting down opposing scoring lines.

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Why on God's green earth do you have Mike Richards centering the 4th line? Especially with wastes of talent around him. Give him somebody good to work with. If I had a chance to redo the lineup, I'd probably do something as follows:

Gagne - Carter - Knuble
Umberger - Zeus - Roenick
Richards - Primeau - Kapanen
Eager - Sharp - Stevenson

As for the defense, I think we're gonna see one more opening. As much as I have liked Rico, he's done. As well, with all the buyouts coming, we might be able to afford another defenseman to add to the rounds.

Johnsson - Opening
Markov- Pitkanen
Opening - Seidenberg
Timander

I have no trouble leaving the goaltending though. That looks really sharp

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Sharpie will be playing wing. No way Richards plays anything but center, in fact Clarke or Holmgren has said the centers will be Primeau, Handzus, Carter and Richards with Sharp on the wing.

Oh bring on the season! the way our kids and Knuble and Gags are playing, bring it on!

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Well, if they do play Richards at center, then I hope that the team at least gives him decent wingers to play with and not scrubs and hacks like Turner Stevenson or Donald Brashear or Radovan Somik. However, I've got a funny feeling that that's who Richards will be stuck playing with. What a great way to waste a talent.

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Well, if they do play Richards at center, then I hope that the team at least gives him decent wingers to play with and not scrubs and hacks like Turner Stevenson or Donald Brashear or Radovan Somik. However, I've got a funny feeling that that's who Richards will be stuck playing with. What a great way to waste a talent.
He won't be a 4th line center forever, but he will be to start.

Primeau is the shut-down center. Handzus will be on one of the top two line. That leaves a 4th line role and a top 2 center role for Richards and Carter. Chances are Carter will get the top two role to start.

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Well, if they do play Richards at center, then I hope that the team at least gives him decent wingers to play with and not scrubs and hacks like Turner Stevenson or Donald Brashear or Radovan Somik. However, I've got a funny feeling that that's who Richards will be stuck playing with. What a great way to waste a talent.
You're probably right to some extent. He'll relieve some of the other players who need a break in the top six just to get some experience. What matters is that in four or more years he will be a top six forward sent out to take the most important draws. I'm all giddy to see these guys mature.

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I still would want the Flyers to pick up another top 6 winger to replace LeClair and Amonte if they are, in fact, gone.

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