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Hull & Mikita or Messier & Jagr?

View Poll Results: Which duo would you rather have? (read OP for any necessary clarification)
Bobby Hull & Stan Mikita 16 51.61%
Jaromir Jagr & Mark Messier 15 48.39%
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10-04-2014, 12:14 AM
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Hull & Mikita or Messier & Jagr?

Which duo would you rather have?
They don't necessarily have to be on the same line.
Heck, they don't even have to play concurrently... you could have one for his entire career, then the other, even with a gap in between... or have some overlap.

Use whatever criteria you would normally use to rank players.
If you aren't sure, use prime and/or career.

They will play in the NHL, using random seasons from the start of Hull's NHL career until present.

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Tough question. If I could only have one, I'd probably pick Messier last, since I think he's not going to be as good as the others at carrying the offense. But if I could have 2 (like you are asking), I'd lean towards the pair with Messier, since he brings things the others don't.

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As a single players:

Hull
Jagr/Mikita
Messier

As a duo:

Messier & Jagr
Mikita & Hull

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The answer to this question is "Yes please, thank you very much."

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How I rank them as individuals:

Hull
Mikita
Messier
Jagr

. . . So as a pairing, I'd take Hull & Mikita because not only are they the two best individual players, they also come with proven chemistry.

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Hull and Mikita.

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I had Jagr just ahead of Hull on the wingers project (they are really close) and rated Mikita quite high (I think higher than anyone, me being the "modern guy" and Stan being so modern...lol).

I would take the Black Hawk duo although really it's hard to go wrong with either pairing, unless you live in Vancouver for 3 years of it but heck that's another thread...

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Messier and Jagr would bring a bit more to the table I think. It's close of course, but Messier beats Mikita in the postseason and I don't think there is much difference between Jagr and Hull.

I would like Messier and Jagr but on different lines. Imagine that. They play the power play together though. Messier would make any winger on his right dominant so Jagr on the second line would just be ruthless.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DisgruntledGoat View Post
How I rank them as individuals:

Hull
Mikita
Messier
Jagr

. . . So as a pairing, I'd take Hull & Mikita because not only are they the two best individual players, they also come with proven chemistry.
You really think Jagr is below all of them?

Based on what?


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Quote:
Originally Posted by DisgruntledGoat View Post
How I rank them as individuals:

Hull
Mikita
Messier

Jagr

. . . So as a pairing, I'd take Hull & Mikita because not only are they the two best individual players, they also come with proven chemistry.
Except for Jagr the others were proven centers who could play another position.

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You really think Jagr is below all of them?

Based on what?

Well, really briefly:

Hull is Hull. He's just one of the best players ever. I think its general consensus that he's either the second or third best winger ever. Nothing too crazy ranking him ahead of Jagr there.

Mikita same thing. Incredible resume (only trails Jagr by one in the Ross race) and his two-way game is miles better than Jagr's. If you want to consider Jagr the better offensive player I won't disagree, but the gap is smaller than the edge Mikita has in his own zone.

Messier is the one that I expected some controversy on. Its funny because I was actually thinking a lot about this one before the thread came up. Basically, I just think you win more with Messier. I like the all-around game, the intangibles enough to pick him over Jagr's offensive dominance. Who do you want in a seven-game series? Peak Messier or Peak Jagr? I think Messier. Consistent effort, all-around contribution, clutch play: Messier ranks high all-time in all these categories, and Jagr has some question marks. IMO, I value those elements enough that I take the less talented guy. Longevity is, at worse, a wash and at best a win for Messier (taking into account not just age but the boatloads of heavy playoff lifting Messier did through the first two-thirds of his career).

I wouldn't say someone would be 'wrong' to take Jagr over Messier (no doubt you do), but that's my take on it.

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