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04-27-2013, 07:00 PM
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Parise leaving pissed me off. Elias leaving would make me cry. Clarkson leaving would be meh.
Except when Clarkson goes to the Flyers. You just know if he's leaving he'll probably show up with a rival.

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04-27-2013, 07:05 PM
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I could see Clarkie in Flyers jersey.

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04-27-2013, 07:35 PM
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I think it's either Toronto or NJ but someone might go crazy with it.

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I think it's either Toronto or NJ but someone might go crazy with it.
Yea I think it will be like Parise. Would come back to NJ if he wasnt offered more money by the Wild.

I think the same happens with Clarkie.

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04-27-2013, 07:39 PM
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“It’s just fresh in the game and that comes down to whatever happen here with (GM Lou) Lamoriello and everything,” Clarkson said. “But I’ve loved playing here. It’s a fun spot. I’ve got a lot of friends I’ve made over the years. Right now, it’s a tough one to swallow, but I’m sure in the next couple of weeks or so, I’ll know more.”

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TG also made reference to a budget. Marty and especially Elias have also hinted at it in recent days. So it looks like we're ****ed as far as getting 'another' top six forward unless Lou pulls a trade out of his ***.

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My reaction to Clarkson leaving would all depend on the terms for his departure. If he leaves for something around $5+ mil a year, I'm honestly not going to be too upset about it, regardless of whether or not the Devils "matched" his offer more or less. If for some strange reason he leaves for 3 years/$10 mil or something around that cap hit, then yeah I'll be pissed. He's not worth us shelling out $5+ mil a year, but a more reasonable price and term would frustrate me if we couldn't match the same (if that's the circumstance for him leaving).

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TG also made reference to a budget. Marty and especially Elias have also hinted at it in recent days. So it looks like we're ****ed as far as getting 'another' top six forward unless Lou pulls a trade out of his ***.
I doubt they know much about it to be honest. I dont think we have a money issue

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04-27-2013, 07:48 PM
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Given how lousy a scoring team we were this year, how few returning proven scorers we have, how few good looking fwd prospects we have, I think people are way to eager to see Clarkson walk.

And even if we look beyond proven scorers, we have in general a brutal lack of depth up front that will only get worse when Poni and Sullivan leave.

I know we'll have a good chunk of cap space, so incoming FA's are an option/necessity, but just the same, all things considered, watching our leading goal scorer walk is worse then a "meh" scenario.

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If they use Clarkson's money to actually get a real top six forward in here, I don't think people will mind nearly as much. Of course if we lose him without replacing him at all a la Parise then it's a different story.

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If they use Clarkson's money to actually get a real top six forward in here, I don't think people will mind nearly as much. Of course if we lose him without replacing him at all a la Parise then it's a different story.
Exactly, if we use Clarkson's money to get Weiss or Horton or Ribiero or someone. I would be happy

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04-27-2013, 07:53 PM
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My reaction to Clarkson leaving would all depend on the terms for his departure. If he leaves for something around $5+ mil a year, I'm honestly not going to be too upset about it, regardless of whether or not the Devils "matched" his offer more or less. If for some strange reason he leaves for 3 years/$10 mil or something around that cap hit, then yeah I'll be pissed. He's not worth us shelling out $5+ mil a year, but a more reasonable price and term would frustrate me if we couldn't match the same (if that's the circumstance for him leaving).
If I'm Dev's I'm willing to spend $5mil for up to 4 years. I know Zajak has a much more complete game, but that guy is getting $5mil for 8 years and posters were psyched. And that guy has scored a total of 22 goals over the last 3 years.

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04-27-2013, 08:02 PM
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If they use Clarkson's money to actually get a real top six forward in here, I don't think people will mind nearly as much. Of course if we lose him without replacing him at all a la Parise then it's a different story.

I'm of the opinion that we need to add pieces, not replace our leading goal scorer with someone else.

But to Scott04's point it all depends on the terms.

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04-27-2013, 08:04 PM
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Lack of depth will get worse when ponikarovsky leaves? Haha what has he done in his time back? Jack **** other than float around an clog up a roster spot. He's been a complete bust. I would rather re sign Sullivan before him. Things will get better when the one trick Poni is gone cause josefson and loktionov won't be scratched over him. Dagostini can replace him. After all he has two goals in ten games compared to Poni having two in like thirty.

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04-27-2013, 08:08 PM
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I doubt they know much about it to be honest. I dont think we have a money issue
Given our lack of spending this year(not just Zach), I think they may be on to something.

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Gotta agree with devilsblood, we're so quick to dismiss Clarkson, but if no one else is out there. WTF are the Devils going to do? They need scoring. And he scored at least some of the time this season.

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If I'm Dev's I'm willing to spend $5mil for up to 4 years. I know Zajak has a much more complete game, but that guy is getting $5mil for 8 years and posters were psyched. And that guy has scored a total of 22 goals over the last 3 years.
IF we are talking about keeping Clarkson for $5 mil a year, I wouldn't do it for more than 2 years, MAYBE 3. I'm not confident in giving him that much money for too long of a term right now. With Clarkson, I think you're going to have a legitimate consistency concern and have to worry if you're paying for may have been a flash in the pan (be it last year's 30 goals or his start to this season), or disregarding a cold streak (the 2nd half of this year). That's why I worry about giving him a long term deal unless at a reasonable price (something below $4 mil annually).

In regards to Zajac, its a totally different ball game as one contract was given BEFORE the slump, and now we're talking about whether or not to give one AFTER the slump. For Zajac, we are talking about it with hindsight (although it may still be too early to fully assess if it was a good contract to give or not). We were going off multiple years of (varying) production. The theory was that he will put up the points with a legitimate scorer. He hit a big slump, his linemates varied, the whole team sucked offensively, etc. The numbers weren't there, simple as that, and just hope he turns it around for the remainder of the term. But for Clarkson you have to decide which Clarkson is the one you may have to lock up for half of a decade. Tough to call really...

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Lack of depth will get worse when ponikarovsky leaves? Haha what has he done in his time back? Jack **** other than float around an clog up a roster spot. He's been a complete bust. I would rather re sign Sullivan before him. Things will get better when the one trick Poni is gone cause josefson and loktionov won't be scratched over him. Dagostini can replace him. After all he has two goals in ten games compared to Poni having two in like thirty.
He's been a non factor, no question. But just the fact that we traded for him after he walked this offseason, and played liked junk in winnipeg, speaks to our lack of depth up front.

And I like Josefson, but if we are going to talk production, that guy has no leg to stand on.

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Gotta agree with devilsblood, we're so quick to dismiss Clarkson, but if no one else is out there. WTF are the Devils going to do? They need scoring. And he scored at least some of the time this season.
You try and bring him back, but if the money is stupid, you're paying somebody out of desperation and a lack of faith in one's ability to field a team for that matter. You hamstring yourself down the road when better opportunities arise for other moves.

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IF we are talking about keeping Clarkson for $5 mil a year, I wouldn't do it for more than 2 years, MAYBE 3. I'm not confident in giving him that much money for too long of a term right now. With Clarkson, I think you're going to have a legitimate consistency concern and have to worry if you're paying for may have been a flash in the pan (be it last year's 30 goals or his start to this season), or disregarding a cold streak (the 2nd half of this year). That's why I worry about giving him a long term deal unless at a reasonable price (something below $4 mil annually).

In regards to Zajac, its a totally different ball game as one contract was given BEFORE the slump, and now we're talking about whether or not to give one AFTER the slump. For Zajac, we are talking about it with hindsight (although it may still be too early to fully assess if it was a good contract to give or not). We were going off multiple years of (varying) production. The theory was that he will put up the points with a legitimate scorer. He hit a big slump, his linemates varied, the whole team sucked offensively, etc. The numbers weren't there, simple as that, and just hope he turns it around for the remainder of the term. But for Clarkson you have to decide which Clarkson is the one you may have to lock up for half of a decade. Tough to call really...
Clarkson has proven himself a fairly reliable, although streaky goal scorer. And I know this may be quibbling, but 4 years is not half a decade. And Zajac got EIGHT years at 5 per, this after 3 seasons in which he totaled 22 goals.

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Clarkson had one year and fifteen games of scoring goals, that's not proven really. He'll get paid like he's proven unfortunately though, and like someone else said he's a big union guy, he ain't taking the hometown discounts people thought he might.

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You try and bring him back, but if the money is stupid, you're paying somebody out of desperation and a lack of faith in one's ability to field a team for that matter. You hamstring yourself down the road when better opportunities arise for other moves.
I understand that, I wouldn't pay that much either.

I really do not have much faith in Lou.

Re; Josefson. Maybe something can be done with a package of him and Fayne?

Something needs to happen. this team needs new life.

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I'm fine with Clarkson leaving, especially if we are talking money that is north of 4 mil, and if it's in 5 mil territory, it's not even worth debating how bad that deal is for whichever team gives it. I hope it's not us.

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You try and bring him back, but if the money is stupid, you're paying somebody out of desperation and a lack of faith in one's ability to field a team for that matter. You hamstring yourself down the road when better opportunities arise for other moves.
Well that is the question, what is "stupid" money in regards to Clarkson?

I think a lot of guys have set the level far too low.

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Well that is the question, what is "stupid" money in regards to Clarkson?

I think a lot of guys have set the level far too low.
Anything over 4m.

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