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04-28-2013, 12:39 PM
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Schultz was better then Yak for 30 games. Yak was better for 15 games. Schultz would get my vote over Yak without a doubt.

Yak will be the better player within a year or two.

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04-28-2013, 12:57 PM
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Schultz was better then Yak for 30 games. Yak was better for 15 games. Schultz would get my vote over Yak without a doubt.

Yak will be the better player within a year or two.
Yak is the better player now.

Schultz has had stretches of absolutely putrid play this season. He doesn't deserve to be nominated for the Calder.

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04-28-2013, 12:59 PM
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Yak is the better player now.

Schultz has had stretches of absolutely putrid play this season. He doesn't deserve to be nominated for the Calder.
What rookie pros dont have bad stretches? Give him a partner like Suter and he wins the Calder by a mile this season.

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04-28-2013, 01:03 PM
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What rookie pros dont have bad stretches? Give him a partner like Suter and he wins the Calder by a mile this season.
Maybe.

The fact remains: he was awful in his own end for much of the year. I realize that is normal for a rookie playing big minutes on a bad team but to win the Calder you have to distinguish yourself.

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04-28-2013, 01:21 PM
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Schultz was better then Yak for 30 games. Yak was better for 15 games. Schultz would get my vote over Yak without a doubt.

Yak will be the better player within a year or two.
How would any hockey person with a straight mind consider Schultz a Calder candidate? Yeah I know he got a boat load of points for a rookie Dman, but the guys:
1. -17. On a full season that equates to less than -30. Thats one of the worst plus/minuses in the league.
2. He is also an over age rookie.

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04-28-2013, 01:40 PM
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I'm just impressed with how well Yakupov adapted at the end of the season. 17-14-31 prorates to 29-24-53 over 82 games. That's almost the exact same prorated as Hall's rookie season. Also similar to Hall's rookie season, he looked better and better as the weeks went by and honestly, with the additional 34 games in a full season I don't think it would be a stretch to predict that he could put up some significant point totals to close out the season, something like 15-13-28 over that 34 game stretch, and hit around 60 points. He looked THAT good to me.

I wish they factored age more into the decision of the Calder Trophy, As Yak is the only 2012 draft class player in the discussion; Brodin, Saad and Huberdeau being from 2011, Gallagher from 2010, Conacher being even older. Galchenyuk would be the only other 2012 player up there, but I think he has been essentially ruled out.

Age, coupled with the fact that many of the above listed players scored most of their points in the first half of the season, and i really think it should be Yakupov, however unlikely that may be.

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04-28-2013, 01:47 PM
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Do you watch the Oilers? Schultz tired out the last 3 weeks, though I love having him on the team
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exactly.... shcultz was a ghost for the entire last month of the season.... not sure what games jumptheshark has been watching, but they haven't been oilers games, thats for sure
and if Yak played the entire year like he played in the last month we would not be having this conversation-- Yak was MIA while Schultz was rocking the boat-- Yak was MIA for many games while Schults played tough minutes all year

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04-28-2013, 02:17 PM
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and if Yak played the entire year like he played in the last month we would not be having this conversation-- Yak was MIA while Schultz was rocking the boat-- Yak was MIA for many games while Schults played tough minutes all year
There is a difference between being "MIA" and playing on the third line.

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04-28-2013, 02:21 PM
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There is a difference between being "MIA" and playing on the third line.
you can still do damage from the third line

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04-28-2013, 02:38 PM
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you can still do damage from the third line
Most players can't do damage on a third line with Ryan Jones and Shawn Horcoff.

To his credit Yak did:

Nail Yakupov: GF/20 = .717, GA/20 = .867, TOI = 530:21

with Horcoff: GF/20 = 1.073, GA/20 = .429, TOI = 93:10

Horcoff without Yakupov: GF/20 = .703, GA/20 = .615, TOI=227:29

with Jones: GF/20 = 1.188, GA/20 =.713 TOI= 84:10

Jones without Yakupov: GF/20 = .310, GA/20 = .413 TOI=193:33

I wonder who was driving that line?

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04-28-2013, 03:02 PM
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no they don't if you take off your homer glasses

top 5 rookies

Yakupov-- 46-17-14-31- -6 14.33atoi

Jonathan Huberdeau 14-17-31 -15-
Brendan Gallagher 15-13-28- +10 13.51toi
Cory Conacher 11-17-28 - +1 14.02toi
Brandon Saad 10-17-27+17 16.27

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Justin Schultz 8-19-27 -17 21.26toi
Patrick Wiercioch 5-14-16 +8 15.44 toi

my three picks
Huberdau, Gallagher and SCHULTZ
Yakupov led all rookies in goals and was tied for the lead in points. When's the last time you saw a rookie with those kinds of stats excluded from Calder contention?

And I disagree with a Justin Schultz nomination. His season was too sporadic and we didn't see obvious progression - with Yakupov we did.

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04-28-2013, 03:13 PM
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And I disagree with a Justin Schultz nomination. His season was too sporadic and we didn't see obvious progression - with Yakupov we did.
agreed. if anything we seen a seasonal regression. some of the plays he was getting beat on late looked like bar league pylons a few times.

he's a great player but he was gassed and not ready for even a partial NHL season minutes and travel wise.

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04-28-2013, 05:21 PM
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Nail Yakupov's 11 goals during the month of April were more than anyone not named Alex Ovechkin (14).
There's definitely something wrong if he's not nominated.

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04-28-2013, 05:25 PM
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There's definitely something wrong if he's not nominated.
He played 3 games in the Eastern time zone. That's not enough.

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04-28-2013, 05:27 PM
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I love the fact that Yak had a Stamkos-esque finish to his rookie year. He could break out big time next season.

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04-28-2013, 06:09 PM
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TSN is beating the Galagher drum pretty loud.

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04-28-2013, 06:46 PM
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TSN is beating the Galagher drum pretty loud.
Of course. He had a very Landeskogesqe season.

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04-28-2013, 07:11 PM
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Are there any edmonton journalist in the PHWA voting for these awards? Or are they mostly eastern guys

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04-28-2013, 07:36 PM
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Mark Spector and Terry Jones i believe vote. Not sure of who else might.

Also i don't understand the argument some are making for Gallagher"He's contributing to a winning team" What does that have to do with being the best rookie? It was the same argument with Landeskog last year. It's not most valuable rookie it's oustanding rookie.

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Yakupov led all rookies in goals and was tied for the lead in points. When's the last time you saw a rookie with those kinds of stats excluded from Calder contention?

And I disagree with a Justin Schultz nomination. His season was too sporadic and we didn't see obvious progression - with Yakupov we did.
Last year

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04-28-2013, 08:43 PM
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Last year
Who?

EDIT: Matt Read. But that was one of those situations where his age (25) probably cost him.

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04-28-2013, 08:53 PM
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Yakupov's transition to the NHL game this year has been amazing. In a span of 48 games he went from looking lost in the defensive zone and all over the place in the offensive zone. To becoming one of the teams best forwards, defensively responsible with an intensity only matched by Hall.

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Interesting blog post about the PHWA:
http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3629

They're notoriously elusive, but here's a few of them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profess...9;_Association


It's very silly considering how such an important body is completely anonymous, and it seems very much like a group of casual fans with a press pass.



Here's how sill the bias was last year:


Now most sensible hockey fans could argue between the merits of RNH and Landeskog as 1/2 in Calder voting:
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/f...calder_trophy/

Landeskog practically swept 1st place votes. Anyone that gave him 3rd place needs to get their voting cards revoked.

16 Professional Hockey Journalists felt that Ryan Nugent Hopkins was the 4th best rookie, and 2 felt he was the 5th.

Matt Read is a fine player, but for 3 writers to think he had the best rookie campaign, and 17 writers to think he was the 2nd best really shows a ridiculous bias.

Sillier even still, Justin Faulk recieved a 2nd place vote, amd Sean Couturier recieved a 1st place vote.


There were 44 1st/2nd votes not given to Landy or Nuge. I am willing to wager those are 44 Eastern media votes who have not seen a single game either have played.

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04-28-2013, 09:11 PM
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No to Schultz and Yaks. The team simply did not play well enough and neither of them made much of a difference in the teams fortunes.

The run away winner of the trophy is Brendan Gallagher - far and away the best rookie. Scored huge goals and played a pivotal role on taking a team from a failure to a post season contender.

It's not even close.

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Mark Spector and Terry Jones i believe vote. Not sure of who else might.

Also i don't understand the argument some are making for Gallagher"He's contributing to a winning team" What does that have to do with being the best rookie? It was the same argument with Landeskog last year. It's not most valuable rookie it's oustanding rookie.
Gallagher was a better rookie. Period.

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