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08-20-2013, 01:50 AM
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... he's 30. He is who he is. Expecting him to change is just asking to be disappointed
Cutler had no problem spreading the ball around in Denver. He had Marshall then as well... in addition to a competent OC and line.
There are a lot of faults of his you can focus on, but tunnel vision isn't one of them. If Marshall is your only weapon, then that's what you use. Last year that was the case for a number of reasons.

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08-20-2013, 01:51 AM
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...first year in Chicago with what will be hopefull an average OL.

Webb got beat by a 5th round pick. We have 4 new starters and new coaching. It wouldn't be a surprise if Cutty is different than before

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08-20-2013, 01:59 AM
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Cutler had no problem spreading the ball around in Denver. He had Marshall then as well... in addition to a competent OC and line.
There are a lot of faults of his you can focus on, but tunnel vision isn't one of them. If Marshall is your only weapon, then that's what you use. Last year that was the case for a number of reasons.
His best season in Denver, he was still a TO machine who didn't throw nearly enough td passes to justify them...It's time bears fans come to the realization that just because he's the most "talented" qb we've had in our lifetimes doesn't mean he's worth investing in. He's just not that good.

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...first year in Chicago with what will be hopefull an average OL.

Webb got beat by a 5th round pick. We have 4 new starters and new coaching. It wouldn't be a surprise if Cutty is different than before
I'll be shocked if he's a top 10 qb at season's end.

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His best season in Denver, he was still a TO machine who didn't throw nearly enough td passes to justify them...It's time bears fans come to the realization that just because he's the most "talented" qb we've had in our lifetimes doesn't mean he's worth investing in. He's just not that good.
Thought we were talking about tunnel vision, not making unrelated blanket statements. If it's the latter then I'll go ahead and step out now. It'd be akin to talking to zac about Seabrook, Ike about Stalberg, BWC about McClellin, etc.

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08-20-2013, 02:48 AM
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Not really. Cutler has done nothing in his career to justify anyone having faith in his ability not to consistently make mistakes. You can delude yourselves in to believing that this is the year he finally "puts it all together" and takes advantage of his talent. I on the other hand, will take the pragmatic approach and count on him throwing for around 4000yards with ~25tds and ~17ints. Upper echelon qbs aren't great based on talent alone, the exhibit the ability to read defenses, adjust to what they see and make the correct decision. And inn cutler's 7 years in the league he's never once shown any ability to consistently do that.

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08-20-2013, 06:29 AM
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I'm out of this too if it's about Cutty sucks while you pimp Lions players that do the exact same thing you critize Cutler for...


Cutty has the tools, he will throw picks this year too and with a Rookie right side of the line with Garza as Center, this will surprise nobody. His only target that is worth anything is Marshall and hopefully MBennett. Other than that he hasn't had a coach or WR or OL to work with here. It's still strange that you don't know what Cutler will show up and how all will work.

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08-20-2013, 09:05 AM
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Only three teams have won the Super Bowl with a 100 catch WR. So for us to get to that next level, we'll likely have to see Jay hitting some other targets more consistently. But, that seems kinda obvious.
While that's an interesting stat, correlation does not imply causation. That is one of those things that broadcasters toss out there while being neat, doesn't have any bearing on actual outcomes. Fact is 100 catch receivers are rare in their own right, which is why the stat is as it is.

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... he's 30. He is who he is. Expecting him to change is just asking to be disappointed
There have been a few QBs who really stepped up their game when they hit 30, so it isn't like development is over. Drew Brees says hi BTW. Still, I'm not as such we are talking as much about his development, but actually playing in the same system for more than a year so he can be 100% comfortable in it and master it. If he stays with the Bears, he will get better over the next two years because of that alone, nevermind his mechanics, tunnel vision or decision making.

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08-20-2013, 09:09 AM
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Not really. Cutler has done nothing in his career to justify anyone having faith in his ability not to consistently make mistakes. You can delude yourselves in to believing that this is the year he finally "puts it all together" and takes advantage of his talent. I on the other hand, will take the pragmatic approach and count on him throwing for around 4000yards with ~25tds and ~17ints. Upper echelon qbs aren't great based on talent alone, the exhibit the ability to read defenses, adjust to what they see and make the correct decision. And inn cutler's 7 years in the league he's never once shown any ability to consistently do that.
I agree with you...I'm very skeptical about Cutler. He just always seems to have an excuse or 3 for why he makes poor throws, decisions, etc. Many times we've seen the offensive line get blamed - even in some cases where they actually played ok (yes I know they usually played like crap, but not always).

That all said - maybe I'm a fool, but I'm still hopeful that he can get some things together this season finally. Though my gut doubts he will ever get to that high level that many expect from him.

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The offense had a lot of holes the last few years. Now, the O-line should be better, he has a TE, no excuses.

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08-20-2013, 09:22 AM
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The offense had a lot of holes the last few years. Now, the O-line should be better, he has a TE, no excuses.
I'm not sold on the O-Line yet, I think it will still be our weakest point. That being said, he does have a good TE, a solid/developing #2 WR, and as many other weapons as he has ever had. Enough that they should be able to overcome as much of the O-Line issues as possible.

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Former Chicago Bears first-round draft pick David Terrell was charged with felony manufacturing or delivery of cannabis and a misdemeanor count of battery, according to Chicago Police Department news affair officer John Mirabelli. Officers received a call of smoking marijuana on Friday afternoon and conducted an interview with Terrell, according to the police report. Cannabis scales and equipment to package were in plain view. At one point Terrell struck the hand of an officer and was taken into custody, according to the report. A second officer was taken to a hospital for medical attention after Terrell tried to resist arrest. ...Terrell was the No. 8 overall selection out of Michigan in 2001.
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I'm out of this too if it's about Cutty sucks while you pimp Lions players that do the exact same thing you critize Cutler for...


Cutty has the tools, he will throw picks this year too and with a Rookie right side of the line with Garza as Center, this will surprise nobody. His only target that is worth anything is Marshall and hopefully MBennett. Other than that he hasn't had a coach or WR or OL to work with here. It's still strange that you don't know what Cutler will show up and how all will work.
Yea, ya know pointing out that stafford's best season dwarfs cutler's best while you all proclaim how much better cutler is clearly qualifies as "pimping" lions players. Oh, or linking to evidence that shows suh is a very good player when a few delusional bears fans try to claim otherwise.

Too bad objectivity is loathed so much around here that anytime we're talking about players on other teams if we dont say they suck, we're "pimping" them.

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08-20-2013, 01:25 PM
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Yea, ya know pointing out that stafford's best season dwarfs cutler's best while you all proclaim how much better cutler is clearly qualifies as "pimping" lions players. Oh, or linking to evidence that shows suh is a very good player when a few delusional bears fans try to claim otherwise.

Too bad objectivity is loathed so much around here that anytime we're talking about players on other teams if we don't say they suck, we're "pimping" them.
Funny thing: I don't think Stafford is better than Cutler right now. Stafford has regressed IMO, and I think he will end the year below Cutler.

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Not really. Cutler has done nothing in his career to justify anyone having faith in his ability not to consistently make mistakes. You can delude yourselves in to believing that this is the year he finally "puts it all together" and takes advantage of his talent. I on the other hand, will take the pragmatic approach and count on him throwing for around 4000yards with ~25tds and ~17ints. Upper echelon qbs aren't great based on talent alone, the exhibit the ability to read defenses, adjust to what they see and make the correct decision. And inn cutler's 7 years in the league he's never once shown any ability to consistently do that.
I think you are the one with tunnel vision.

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Care to actually make a rebuttal, or is your plan to just ad hom?

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Care to actually make a rebuttal, or is your plan to just ad hom?
Why bother? There are plenty of rebuttals in this thread, and in thousands of other threads. Jay Cutler is the kind of QB where there is equal evidence for him being on the verge of Elite, but having reasons for not getting there, or being below average due to his own merits. There are valid points on BOTH SIDES and almost no one falls in the middle.

Why keep going round and round on this crap? Seriously? He will either play well this year with the system and weapons he has, and get an extension, or he won't and he will walk. The rest has been talked about to death so there's really no point in yet another Cutler debate.

I think we all know where you stand. We get it. Others don't feel the same way as you. Let's hope for the Bears sake that we are more correct than you are when this season is over.

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What are the alternatives again?

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My cousin is also one of those people who have never liked Cutler. I still can't get a straight answer out of him as far as who we would replace him with. More or less, draft and develop someone, but who, and how is this team ever going to be bad enough to get a top 2 or 3 pick?

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I bet the Bears take a QB in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft next year.

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We're overdue to pick one high and start developing him, no dispute there. Even if Cutler plays well enough, he is still injury prone and one big blow to the head from being done. However, I think you hold onto him until that guy you drafted has a few years experience under his belt and is ready to come in and help the team contend.

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The Bears should just tank for Bridgewater.

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I bet the Bears take a QB in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft next year.
They should. There's no downside (assuming you land a good one).

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