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How is it not a risk? Nichushkin has gone anywhere from 5-11 in mock drafts. Why take a prospect at 3 when we could trade down to get him, acquiring more assets in the process?


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Every draft pick is a risk. I was referring to the panik-ing we'd be doing. Bt ah gess tht shd hv bin cleerah.

For the record, I'd pick Drouin without a seconds thought. But the one thing our management have done unquestionably well so far is draft, so I have faith that whoever they pick will come good.

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Every draft pick is a risk. I was referring to the panik-ing we'd be doing. Bt ah gess tht shd hv bin cleerah.

For the record, I'd pick Drouin without a seconds thought. But the one thing our management have done unquestionably well so far is draft, so I have faith that whoever they pick will come good.
Good point, but I guess the jury's still out on whether we reached too far with Koekkoek. Our record with later round picks is paying dividends, not so much our first rounders the past three drafts (Namestnikov and even Connolly to an extent are still a question marks for me).

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Good point, but I guess the jury's still out on whether we reached too far with Koekkoek. Our record with later round picks is paying dividends, not so much our first rounders the past three drafts (Namestnikov and even Connolly to an extent are still a question marks for me).
Koekkoek looks like he could land anywhere from Karlsson to MAB which is worrying. My only worries with Namestnikov is where he will fit in our line up. Too many quality centres is a good problem however. He strikes me as a smarter Downie type player.

Connolly, I'm on the fence. I've watched a lot of Syracuse this year and whilst he has wracked up the points, he has never taken over games like a player of his pedigree should be doing. Hell, even his first season in Tampa he had rushes up the ice where he dangled players out. I've not seen that from him this year.

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So he falls to us at #3? If he does, will the world end?

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All proposals regarding the pick will now be declined as Yzerman hopes Jones fall to #3.

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Thats as surprising as rain in Florida.

Seriously, nobody is going to tip their hand at this point.

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Nichushkin is very intriguing. It is true that we don't get to see a lot of him compared to "the big three" of this year's draft class. But I remember how impressed I was by him at the WJC (a relatively small sample size though). The most important question remains of course: Would he be willing to come to North America at all? I vaguely remember reports of an already signed 2-year contract in the KHL and even Putin getting involved to keep him over there or am I daydreaming? Also, power forwards tend to injury-proneness. If we end up drafting him at #3 over Drouin or MacKinnon I'd probably be very sceptical but until maybe 10 years from now there's no way to know who's really the BPA at #3.


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Nichushkin is very intriguing. It is true that we don't get to see a lot of him compared to "the big three" of this year's draft class. But I remember how impressed I was by him at the WJC (a relatively small sample size though). The most important question remains of course: Would he be willing to come to North America at all? I vagualy remember reports of an already signed 2-year contract in the KHL and even Putin getting involved to keep him over there or am I daydreaming? Also, power forwards tend to injury-proneness. If we end up drafting him at #3 over Drouin or MacKinnon I'd probably be very sceptical but until maybe 10 years from now there's no way to know who's the BPA at #3.
I would draft Nichushkin over Drouin but not MacKinnon. Also im sure that the issue of if he would come over or not would be settled before we draft him.

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Nichushkin is very intriguing. It is true that we don't get to see a lot of him compared to "the big three" of this year's draft class. But I remember how impressed I was by him at the WJC (a relatively small sample size though). The most important question remains of course: Would he be willing to come to North America at all? I vaguely remember reports of an already signed 2-year contract in the KHL and even Putin getting involved to keep him over there or am I daydreaming? Also, power forwards tend to injury-proneness. If we end up drafting him at #3 over Drouin or MacKinnon I'd probably be very sceptical but until maybe 10 years from now there's no way to know who's really the BPA at #3.
According to scouts, he was apparently pretty bad and underwhelming at the U-18's this past spring. The expectation was that he would dominate and he was more of a passenger along for the ride than anything else.

He signed a 2-year contract in the KHL and the rumours are that he's receiving more there than he would in a rookie contract. Regardless whether his intent is to come over or not, it's just not a gamble we need to take in a draft that is widely considered outstanding if you're drafting in the top 3.

For me, it's not just the Russian factor that's holding him back, it's also the fact that scouts just aren't as impressed with players that depend on their physical attributes to dominate games at lower levels. The comparisons with Malkin and Ovechkin are misleading since everyone knows that if he were that good, he'd go #1. Overrated imo, but I'd be happy to take him if we traded down.

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Hey guys!

This is my latest Mock Draft with the standings as of today. I believe strongly this is my most complete mock draft ever...for real. Each player is ranked according to BPA and most possible by the needs of each teams as well. I've put a lot of work and research into it. As always, feel free to comment, whether you hate it or love it.

Enjoy the reading!

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Seth Jones (D) – Portland Winterhawks
Colorado picks the most coveted player of the draft. Growing up in Denver, Jones will play for his childhood team. Jones has great athleticism and work ethic, combined with a great talent and vision on ice. Kid’s potential is unlimited. NHL comparison: Alex Pietrangelo + Keith Yandle
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Nathan MacKinnon (C) – Halifax Mooseheads
Dale Tallon will be ecstatic to pick MacKinnon, as he will be their go-to-guy with Huberdeau for years to come. He possesses the most explosive first 3 steps of the draft combined with a nose for the net. His defensive play is very well rounded as well. NHL comparison: Taylor Hall + Tyler Seguin
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Jonathan Drouin (LW) – Halifax Mooseheads
With Marty St.-Louis not getting younger, Tampa Bay will have the perfect winger for Stamkos to reach the 70 goals plateau in the near future. Basically the prospect with the best hands of this year’s draft and the past previous ones. NHL comparison: Patrick Kane + Martin St.-Louis

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Hey guys!

This is my latest Mock Draft with the standings as of today. I believe strongly this is my most complete mock draft ever...for real. Each player is ranked according to BPA and most possible by the needs of each teams as well. I've put a lot of work and research into it. As always, feel free to comment, whether you hate it or love it.

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http://hockeylobby.blogspot.ca/2013/...ercard_21.html
All I needed to see was if Drouin went to us at 3rd overall to know that I love your mock draft .

My only point of contention is Max Domi at 6th overall to Calgary. I know his stock has risen considerably, but I still see him as a 10-15 prospect, opposed to one who's taken at 6, when a more highly regarded center in Elias Lindholm is available. I also see Edmonton taking either Nurse or Ristolainen at 7th overall.

Some of the NHL comparisons are a little ambitious, but I'm not as concerned about those .

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All I needed to see was if Drouin went to us at 3rd overall to know that I love your mock draft .

My only point of contention is Max Domi at 6th overall to Calgary. I know his stock has risen considerably, but I still see him as a 10-15 prospect, opposed to one who's taken at 6, when a more highly regarded center in Elias Lindholm is available. I also see Edmonton taking either Nurse or Ristolainen at 7th overall.

Some of the NHL comparisons are a little ambitious, but I'm not as concerned about those .
Thanks! But I had to put Domi there..just to cause a little bit of discussion and drama lol.

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According to scouts, he was apparently pretty bad and underwhelming at the U-18's this past spring. The expectation was that he would dominate and he was more of a passenger along for the ride than anything else.

He signed a 2-year contract in the KHL and the rumours are that he's receiving more there than he would in a rookie contract. Regardless whether his intent is to come over or not, it's just not a gamble we need to take in a draft that is widely considered outstanding if you're drafting in the top 3.

For me, it's not just the Russian factor that's holding him back, it's also the fact that scouts just aren't as impressed with players that depend on their physical attributes to dominate games at lower levels. The comparisons with Malkin and Ovechkin are misleading since everyone knows that if he were that good, he'd go #1. Overrated imo, but I'd be happy to take him if we traded down.
The whole russian team was like that though, with the exception of (funny enough) a few of our guys (Sergeev, Nesterov). Whole lot of "me first" play rather than the alternative.

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I just don't understand why a kid would sign a 2 year contract when he would clearly be coming over ASAP after the draft. I thought I read something about Nich getting upset that he may not be playing in the NHL next year, so he signed a 2 year contract in the KHL. That just doesn't seem like the type of character I would want on my team.

I'm probably wrong, though.

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Buffalos pick is the one that makes me think. They can really use talent at every spot and I wonder if they'd take a shot at Nichushkin. I also don't see Fucale going that high for some reason.

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I just don't understand why a kid would sign a 2 year contract when he would clearly be coming over ASAP after the draft. I thought I read something about Nich getting upset that he may not be playing in the NHL next year, so he signed a 2 year contract in the KHL. That just doesn't seem like the type of character I would want on my team.
Despite having a contract with Magnitogorsk through May 2007, Evgeni Malkin made his Pittsburgh debut in October 2006. The pressure some Russian players are placed under, whether it is friends or family, organizational due to the club "investing years of time and money" in a player, or pressure we don't see or understand because we aren't in Russia, can force a player's hand into signing a contract they may not want to complete.

If you ever get a chance to read King of Russia by Canadian coach Dave King, it's an incredible hockey book, and absolutely worth the read. It talks about his experiences coaching in the KHL, and how the pressure, operations, and gamedays are so much different than they are in the NHL.

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The whole russian team was like that though, with the exception of (funny enough) a few of our guys (Sergeev, Nesterov). Whole lot of "me first" play rather than the alternative.
This is the biggest concern for me with any Russian player (outside of contractual ones of course) not named Datsyuk or Malkin (currently in the NHL anyway). Their skills and skating are always fantastic, but it's a tribute to the individualistic nature of their development, while collective team play and the use of their teammates is often overlooked and neglected.

I played in 2 tournaments in Russia when I was younger (one as part of a prospects team and another with my Jr team) and the individualistic nature of their games was evident in their coaching, performances and practices. There is definitely a bias out there towards Russian players being selfish, but it was just as evident in their development of youth players from what I saw too.

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Despite having a contract with Magnitogorsk through May 2007, Evgeni Malkin made his Pittsburgh debut in October 2006. The pressure some Russian players are placed under, whether it is friends or family, organizational due to the club "investing years of time and money" in a player, or pressure we don't see or understand because we aren't in Russia, can force a player's hand into signing a contract they may not want to complete.

If you ever get a chance to read King of Russia by Canadian coach Dave King, it's an incredible hockey book, and absolutely worth the read. It talks about his experiences coaching in the KHL, and how the pressure, operations, and gamedays are so much different than they are in the NHL.
I'm sure you're right. The pressure he's under is immense. I think Tree mentioned the Putin thing earlier. Putin basically demanded that he be released from his team to compete in the U18 or something like that?

After some research it appears I was wrong. I'm reading that Nich didn't even KNOW about his transfer until after it happened, and that he was so upset about it he was leaning towards coming to North America this summer.

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Drouin with 3 assists in tonight's game vs. London. Final will be between Halifax and the winner of tomorrow night's Blades/Winterhawks game.

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Drouin with 3 assists in tonight's game vs. London. Final will be between Halifax and the winner of tomorrow night's Blades/Winterhawks game.
Actually if the Blades win they're in the Final, Halifax is in the semis, and Portland/London would play in the tiebreaker.

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All I needed to see was if Drouin went to us at 3rd overall to know that I love your mock draft .
I agree, this mock is wondrouful

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Actually if the Blades win they're in the Final, Halifax is in the semis, and Portland/London would play in the tiebreaker.

Memorial Cup is weird.
Good point, I always thought the tiebreaker went to the team who won the first meeting between the two teams in question.

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Drouin with 3 assists in tonight's game vs. London. Final will be between Halifax and the winner of tomorrow night's Blades/Winterhawks game.
Can't wait to watch it tomorrow at 11am! NHLNET FAIL.

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I said this on the Avs board. IF they decide against Jones I hope we'd trade down to #3 for something like your 2nd and take Drouin.

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