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04-29-2013, 10:25 PM
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Assuming Lindholm is available at 7 id offer the oilers 1 of two packages..

pick 10 + Dal 2nd rd pick (40)+ roussell

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Pick 10 + Daley

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Assuming Lindholm is available at 7 id offer the oilers 1 of two packages..

pick 10 + Dal 2nd rd pick (40)+ roussell

or

Pick 10 + Daley
The first proposal is pretty close to fair imo.

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Assuming Lindholm is available at 7 id offer the oilers 1 of two packages..

pick 10 + Dal 2nd rd pick (40)+ roussell

or

Pick 10 + Daley
Roussel is Steve Ott 2.0 with a higher offensive upside IMO. He is the kind of guy Nill is going to want to keep around. He even said in the interview with 1310 the ticket yesterday that his goal is is to develop players already in the system. He also stated that they were going to be active in FA. Giving up Daley, Roussel plus our 10th overall pick is counterproductive to our GM's goals for the team. In additon of trading 2 roster players plus a great prospect for 1 guy who may or may not make an impact is probably not going to happen.

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Roussel is Steve Ott 2.0 with a higher offensive upside IMO. He is the kind of guy Nill is going to want to keep around. He even said in the interview with 1310 the ticket yesterday that his goal is is to develop players already in the system. He also stated that they were going to be active in FA. Giving up Daley, Roussel plus our 10th overall pick is counterproductive to our GM's goals for the team. In additon of trading 2 roster players plus a great prospect for 1 guy who may or may not make an impact is probably not going to happen.
He had a nice little season, but he is nowhere near Steve Ott as far as offense.

Also, moving Daley and the 10th frees up a spot on Defense for a UFA defensive dman which we desperately need, plus a top 6 Center, which we also desperately need.

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He had a nice little season, but he is nowhere near Steve Ott as far as offense.

Also, moving Daley and the 10th frees up a spot on Defense for a UFA defensive dman which we desperately need, plus a top 6 Center, which we also desperately need.
There is no reason to believe he won't be though. Roussel has the same attributes that Ott had here in Dallas.

Dallas could get Weiss or Filppula for nothing since they are UFA's. No need to throw 2 roster players plus a 1st round pick for just 1 pick.

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That is a little bit much to move up three slots.


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There is no reason to believe he won't be though. Roussel has the same attributes that Ott had here in Dallas.

Dallas could get Weiss or Filppula for nothing since they are UFA's. No need to throw 2 roster players plus a 1st round pick for just 1 pick.
Sure there is. Roussel is currently a 4th liner, while Steve Ott is a 2nd line/3rd line tweener. The jump between the two is huge, and although Roussel is young, expecting him to make it is foolishness.

Dallas could get those players, committing money and term to guys that nobody is really excited about. They might work out or might not, but they don't really have the same type of potential that one of the top centers would. What Dallas needs is some top end quality, and sacrificing a few assets to get it makes more sense than overpaying for a guy because he is the best available UFA in a weak year.

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Sure there is. Roussel is currently a 4th liner, while Steve Ott is a 2nd line/3rd line tweener. The jump between the two is huge, and although Roussel is young, expecting him to make it is foolishness.

Dallas could get those players, committing money and term to guys that nobody is really excited about. They might work out or might not, but they don't really have the same type of potential that one of the top centers would. What Dallas needs is some top end quality, and sacrificing a few assets to get it makes more sense than overpaying for a guy because he is the best available UFA in a weak year.
Roussel was a 4th liner due to depth on the wings. I remember Ott being more of a "tweener" due to our lack of depth, leading to plenty of extra minutes in the top six, where he racked up more points than you'd expect from a grinding bottom-six player.

We saw the same from Roussel whenever he played more minutes; he responded with better production playing alongside superior linemates. Now I'm not saying Nill should go right ahead and pencil Roussel in for a top six role next year. Far from it, he's best served in the bottom six. But I see him as being a capable top six fill-in, just like Otter was.

Neither one belongs in a top six regularly, though.

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Why are we comparing current Steve Ott to current Roussel? Ott had to grow into what he is today just as Roussel will. Go back and look at Ott's stats his first three years in the league when he was getting 12 minutes or less ice time further down the lineup and see that Roussel actually has more favorable pts/g. Ott didn't break out and learn to score till he played with Ribeiro because others got injured.

Roussel is probably a 3rd liner at best but he can do all the things Ott can do and he's a flat out better skater with just as much want to and drive. If the faceoffs come along or he and Eakin pair up long term on our 3rd line he's going to be a productive 15-20 goal guy with another 20 assists. The ability to pk just adds to a nice package, especially if he can continue to convince the Iginla, Weber, Getzlaf's of the league to drop the gloves taking them off the ice for 5 minutes at a time.

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The inciting incident of this was

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Roussel is Steve Ott 2.0 with a higher offensive upside IMO.
Which is bananas. Look at the production in junior: In 3 years Ott had 237 points and was a 1st round pick. In 4 years Roussel had 139 points. A lot of NHL grinders were big scorers in junior hockey, but it is much more rare for a player to develop big time offense as a pro that he didn't have in the CHL. Furthermore, Roussel isn't going to get a chance to get a top 6 role with this team, there are always going to be wingers ahead of him.

While some might see potential in Roussel, he hasn't proven much yet and instead of the next Steve Ott, he could be the next Tom Wandell or Tomas Vincour. If moving up to get a shot at a #1C means trading Roussel, currently a good 4th liner, the Stars have to make that deal.

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There is no reason to believe he won't be though. Roussel has the same attributes that Ott had here in Dallas.

Dallas could get Weiss or Filppula for nothing since they are UFA's. No need to throw 2 roster players plus a 1st round pick for just 1 pick.
Roussell doesn't have the same upside as Ott, Ott can be a 50 point player if he pays top 6 minutes and concentrates on not going to the penalty box. I don't think Roussell could ever do that. Ott had a lot of skill. However, I think Roussell can become an "elite" third liner. Great pickup by Nieuwendyk.

Anyways, I don't see the value in moving up if we're trading either Oleksiak or Daley. Oleksiak is basically the only defensemen in our system besides Dillon with top 2 potential, and we're not getting in to the top three with him. Daley is currently one of our few top four defensemen and our only #3. He's a likely sure bet to stay in Dallas for the rest of his career if we keep him and by the time we get back to being a contender he should still be a top 4 defensemen. He's more valuable to us than he is going to a team we're trading up to.

What we can trade is a our two firsts (Well, hopefully two firsts) and prospects in a position we have depth in (Top 4 defensive prospects and winger prospects), but not roster players we don't have depth in at the highest level.

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Which is bananas. Look at the production in junior: In 3 years Ott had 237 points and was a 1st round pick.
Ott put up great numbers with Spezza and showed absolutely no ability in his first 4 seasons in the NHL that he could create scoring chances for himself or even give a glimmer as to how he picked up that many points. Quite frankly the only thing you should take from Ott's junior numbers is that Spezza was a complete beast and bossed the OHL.


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In 4 years Roussel had 139 points. A lot of NHL grinders were big scorers in junior hockey, but it is much more rare for a player to develop big time offense as a pro that he didn't have in the CHL. Furthermore, Roussel isn't going to get a chance to get a top 6 role with this team, there are always going to be wingers ahead of him.

While some might see potential in Roussel, he hasn't proven much yet and instead of the next Steve Ott, he could be the next Tom Wandell or Tomas Vincour. If moving up to get a shot at a #1C means trading Roussel, currently a good 4th liner, the Stars have to make that deal.
Neither of those two you mentioned showed the hands or the confidence that Roussel did in his stint so far in Dallas. I have no idea why he didn't score in junior or why he struggled with Boston and Chicago before finding his niche here in Dallas. Some guys just develop slower than others. As for 2nd line play, I agree that he won't be that in Dallas because guys like Chiasson and Ritchie will be in front of him. That's perfectly okay.

Because if Roussel can score at a .3-.35 pts/g clip in limited minutes on the 3rd line, kill penalties and create opportunities for his linemates because of his speed he's going to be a great player in Dallas who excels at his role. All I'm saying is that playing less than 10 minutes a night and rarely with the same linemates for more than a few games at a time he was quite frankly outstanding at what he did. Keeping that checking role with perhaps 3-5 more minutes a game could maximize his strengths but not force him into that 2nd line tweener role where Ott at times is really effective if he's scoring and quite frankly disappointing when he's not. Tell me the last bottom six guy who scored 30 points for Dallas. There's real value in that.

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The real question is how good would a player be if you took Steve Ott and added Roussel's ability to actually finish on a breakaway or in alone with the goalie.

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