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Roster Talk '13 — Denmark

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05-12-2013, 11:42 AM
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Agree with your point there.....
but I still think something more like the Swiss play (or Czech counterattack hockey) would be more suited for Denmark than NA style. Or actually the way the Slovenians play....great showing from them.

Finnish and NA style is to physical and aggressive for our hockey culture and players. We have huge problems with getting too many penalties already - playing these style will get us even more
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Same with Latvia but most Latvian poster seem to disagree with me like Ted Nolan is some sort of god who cant do no wrong,you guys dont want a NA,trust me.

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Most of all I would like a "Danish" one.. Who has the level for it? Ehlers?

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05-12-2013, 12:15 PM
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Most of all I would like a "Danish" one.. Who has the level for it? Ehlers?
Heinz Ehlers would basically be the only candidate and he has just signed with Lausanne in NLA. Maybe in some years it will become him - actually think it quite likely.

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05-12-2013, 12:27 PM
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Same with Latvia but most Latvian poster seem to disagree with me like Ted Nolan is some sort of god who cant do no wrong,you guys dont want a NA,trust me.
For Denmark to get a NA coach I see this problem:
Since Denmark basically have used a Swedish system for many years, it would be like ground zero to start all over.
It's just hard to "force" players to be physical if it's not their playing style. It has to be build up from the youth and that change takes time.

[Well I seem to remember you liked Nolan last year.....that doesn't make him a God off course.]

Nolan can bring the Latvian NT some fighting spirit, but not turn a technical team suddenly into physical one. I think you are hit with a very weak roster this year that force a grinding playing style. The difference between loss to Austria and win over Slovakia seem to be in the head of the Latvian players. They crumble under media/fan pressure, since Latvia is "supposed" to stay up in elite.
That's why if the media gives up, MAYBE they can play more freely against France and surprise. [France might be playing for a QF, so they will also be pressured].

Funny enough this media/fan pressure is starting to affect Denmark as well....so many years of survival, people have come to expect it. In 2012 people started to expect a re-run of 2010 and "hope" for a QF and that went really bad [I was one of these "hopers" as well]. This year was another narrow escape (unless Slovenia makes a miracle).

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05-12-2013, 12:32 PM
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For Denmark to get a NA coach I see this problem:
Since Denmark basically have used a Swedish system for many years, it would be like ground zero to start all over.
It's just hard to "force" players to be physical if it's not their playing style. It has to be build up from the youth and that change takes time.

[Well I seem to remember you liked Nolan last year.....that doesn't make him a God off course.]

Nolan can bring the Latvian NT some fighting spirit, but not turn a technical team suddenly into physical one. I think you are hit with a very weak roster this year that force a grinding playing style. The difference between loss to Austria and win over Slovakia seem to be in the head of the Latvian players. They crumble under media/fan pressure, since Latvia is "supposed" to stay up in elite.

That's why if the media gives up, MAYBE they can play more freely against France and surprise. [France might be playing for a QF, so they will also be pressured].

Funny enough this media/fan pressure is starting to affect Denmark as well....so many years of survival, people have come to expect it. In 2012 people started to expect a re-run of 2010 and "hope" for a QF and that went really bad [I was one of these "hopers" as well]. This year was another narrow escape (unless Slovenia makes a miracle).
Yes alot of it has to do with latvian/danish/european whatever mentality and ofc the media,fan pressure,but also the fact that tactics and schemes that work on small ice,dont seem to be as effective on big european sized ice,now if WC where played on NA ice size i wouldnt complain about Nolan.

About forcing a pyhsical play on the players i agree 100 percent with you,it has to be thought when hockey player is a kid,not when hes an adult,it just doesnt work.

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05-12-2013, 12:46 PM
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Since most of the danish players go through Swedish U18 and U20 it's that style they have in their blood. Some go through NA that early but usually it's after Sweden, so the bulk have the Swedish style.

It's good that we can get players like Jannik Hansen and Oliver Lauridsen that give some grit to Denmark, but you can't base the playing style of the Danish NT on NA play. Especially when we only get a few NHL'ers over each year.

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05-14-2013, 03:54 PM
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Final stats

Points: 6
Goals scored: 13
Goals allowed: 20
Wins: 1
OT/SO wins: 1
OT/SO losses: 1
Losses: 4
Powerplay: 13%
Penalty kill: 80.8%

Top scorer: Kim Staal | 5 pts
Top goal scorer: Morten Green | 3
Assists leader: Kim Staal | 4
Ice time leader: Philip Larsen | 24:40
Plus/minus leader: Mads Christensen | +2


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05-15-2013, 06:26 AM
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Final stats

Points: 6
Goals scored: 13
Goals allowed: 20
Wins: 1
OT/SO wins: 1
OT/SO losses: 1
Losses: 4
Powerplay: -
Penalty kill: -

Top scorer: Kim Staal | 5 pts
Top goal scorer: Morten Green | 3
Assists leader: Kim Staal | 4
Ice time leader: Philip Larsen | 24:40
Plus/minus leader: Mads Christensen | +2
So to conclude this WC for Denmark is generally very positive.
A) It was probably the best defense I have ever seen a Danish NT play. Very good on the PK (Oliver Lauridsen was missed against the Swiss, that scored 3 PP), but otherwise very good.
Philip Larsen and Oliver Lauridsen really showed themselves internationally. Also thought Stefan Lassen has a very good tournament. Markus Lauridsen also solid.

B) Forwards: Not digging in but generally trying to bring some offense.
Mikkel Bødker was excellent in his rushes, but sadly didn't score on any of his many chances. He was very important both defensively and offensively.
Morten Madsen, Kim Staal and Morten Green also stood out during the tournament. Nicklas Jensen did very well when he arrived showing his scoring skills and Kirill Starkov had a super match out of the blue (and not against Russia).

C) Coaching: As critical I was against Bäckman last year as positive I am this year.
He made forward lines and d-pairs that functioned. He made the team play close to it's very best, though still Danish players lost the concept and took needless penalties. But the players and not Bäckman is to blame for that. Only critical thing I can say about Bäckman this year is that still the PP doesn't function. We need faster puck movement, it was to slow and static.

Best players: Old vets showed they are still important. Kim Staal and Morten Green most points/assists and most goals. Quite surprising. Also Philip Larsen, Oliver Lauridsen, Morten Madsen and Mikkel Bødker has great tournaments.
Hard to pick a top three. It's easy to pick the NHL trio (Lauridsen, Bødker and Larsen) but Kim Staal & Morten Green played the best in a long time and Morten Madsen played like one who should be in the NHL?!

Conclusion: Denmark really didn't have luck this tournament. With more sharp goal scoring we could have been fourth in the group beating Norway and the Czech. Very close to an even better result against Canada and Sweden as well. Only the Swiss punished us on their PP, but it was still 1-1 even strength.
We also got too many penalties, some could be thought to be bad luck with the referees.
Despite only being nr. 12 I'm quite happy with the performance.

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