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06-09-2013, 04:10 PM
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Were the Bruins planning on releasing Andrew Raycroft prior to him being traded?

Hey Bruins fans I got a question for you and I hope you might know the answer to this.

In the Toronto Sun today there is an article from Steve Simmons that says the Bruins would have taken Justin Pogge and not Tuukka Rask. Plus he then goes onto say that the Bruins were actually planning to release Andrew Raycroft.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/08...nstead-of-rask
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The worst part of the Raycroft deal wasn’t how he played for the Leafs. The worst part was finding out later the Bruins would have released him had they not traded him, making him available to the Leafs without any compensation at all.
Now my question is were the Bruins planning on doing that? I ask because today is the first time anyone has heard this news and I wonder how come it's only coming out now 7 years later.

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Never heard that. Doubt it very much.

He was coming off a bad season, but he still had value (obviously). I have also heard the Bruins wanted Rask and not Pogge.

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Never heard that. Doubt it very much.

He was coming off a bad season, but he still had value (obviously). I have also heard the Bruins wanted Rask and not Pogge.
The article stats that JFJ didn't want to give up Justin Pogge because of his performance at the World Juniors that same year.

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The problem at the time was, Leafs general manager John Ferguson was uneasy about moving Pogge, wasn’t convinced Rask was better and wouldn’t agree to move Pogge because he had won the gold medal playing for Team Canada at the world junior championships that year.

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Bogus.

Bruins wanted Rask when he was DRAFTED. They were dangling Raycroft across the league for forward help. He was one season removed from a Calder Trophy... He had value and the B's weren't about to **** that away. It may have been at the time that Raycroft had more potential trade value than either Toivenen or Thomas.

They were offered Rask, which was a far better return than they were hoping to receive up front. They had scouted him heavily.

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The article stats that JFJ didn't want to give up Justin Pogge because of his performance at the World Juniors that same year.
........so if you are just accepting everything that article says, why did you come here to ask about it?

I'm not lying about what I have heard.

And it is possible Ferguson wanted to keep Pogge and the bruins wanted Rask. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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The article stats that JFJ didn't want to give up Justin Pogge because of his performance at the World Juniors that same year.
Aslo... Ferguson liked Pogge better at that time, which was why he was okay with parting with Rask for immediate "help" between the pipes.

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........so if you are just accepting everything that article says, why did you come here to ask about it?

I'm not lying about what I have heard.

And it is possible Ferguson wanted to keep Pogge and the bruins wanted Rask. They aren't mutually exclusive.
I just stated why it was reported that JFJ kept Pogge over Rask, because you heard they always wanted Rask and not Pogge.

I came here to ask about the report that the Bruins wanted to release Raycroft, because until today no one ever heard that.

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I just stated why it was reported that JFJ kept Pogge over Rask, because you heard they always wanted Rask and not Pogge.

I came here to ask about the report that the Bruins wanted to release Raycroft, because until today no one ever heard that.
Those two things can both be true, and probably are.

And I answered your reason for coming here. No one ever heard it because it is utter crap.

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Hey Bruins fans I got a question for you and I hope you might know the answer to this.

In the Toronto Sun today there is an article from Steve Simmons that says the Bruins would have taken Justin Pogge and not Tuukka Rask. Plus he then goes onto say that the Bruins were actually planning to release Andrew Raycroft.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/08...nstead-of-rask


Now my question is were the Bruins planning on doing that? I ask because today is the first time anyone has heard this news and I wonder how come it's only coming out now 7 years later.
The question I would have to that story is "says who?" Where's the attribution?

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What does it matter? Ferguson wanted our ROTY and snookered us with an untested draftee.

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What does it matter? Ferguson wanted our ROTY and snookered us with an untested draftee.
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Aslo... Ferguson liked Pogge better at that time,


Yup. I remember long conversations about this....

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The question I would have to that story is "says who?" Where's the attribution?
That's what I'm wondering because why is Simmons saying this now when the trade happened 7 years ago.

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I remember Samsonov,Raycroft to Ottawa for Spezza rumors as TT and Toivonen were on scene.

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That's what I'm wondering because why is Simmons saying this now when the trade happened 7 years ago.
I read this in the Sun this morning and went huh?
While it's true that Raycroft and the Bruins management had some contract issues that may have compromised his worth to the team, I can't see that the Bruins were going to let him go for nothing.
At the time, leaf nation was pretty ecstatic with the trade if I recall correctly, hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to goalie development. And it's only now that the general sentiment is the Rask a great goalie.

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I read this in the Sun this morning and went huh?
While it's true that Raycroft and the Bruins management had some contract issues that may have compromised his worth to the team, I can't see that the Bruins were going to let him go for nothing.
At the time, leaf nation was pretty ecstatic with the trade if I recall correctly, hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to goalie development. And it's only now that the general sentiment is the Rask a great goalie.
Read through that Toronto thread once. Some fans hated that deal.

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All I know is...

What a steal.

Thank you, Toronto.

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The question I would have to that story is "says who?" Where's the attribution?
Maybe they're using the same "sources" that the Toronto Star uses for all it's Rob Ford stories.

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Moral of the story.

JFJ was a ****ing terrible GM.

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Wasn't it Jeff Gorton who insisted on Rask? That was my understanding.

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Neat how we turned Raycroft (who's in Italy), Lashoff (who's in Switzerland), Lehtonen (who's in Russia), and Byron Bitz (who's done) into Rask, Recchi, Seidenberg, Bartkowski, and Khudobin.


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Hey Bruins fans I got a question for you and I hope you might know the answer to this.

In the Toronto Sun today there is an article from Steve Simmons that says the Bruins would have taken Justin Pogge and not Tuukka Rask. Plus he then goes onto say that the Bruins were actually planning to release Andrew Raycroft.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/08...nstead-of-rask


Now my question is were the Bruins planning on doing that? I ask because today is the first time anyone has heard this news and I wonder how come it's only coming out now 7 years later.
the problem with raycroft is he got all involved with the strike talk... had the fans turn against him for comments he was making. if I remember right he was the union rep for the team. he was also in tight with thornton/Boynton/murray/samsonov crowd. these were our best players at the time and formed sort of a clique in the locker room. from the rumors that used to run around the team... these guys had the wrong attitude to build a winning team around. the best example of how this sucked was when the team tried to bring in dave scatchard a 'known winner' to help the locker room and the clique basically drove him out of town.

the clique had to be dismantled. thornton was traded for pennies on the dollar... so its possible raycroft could have been had for much less than rask too

but from what I understand of Toronto situation at that time... they thought pogge was the better goalie. I think it was them giving up on rask that made rask expendable to us. hindsight is great now that rask was the better goalie but all the buzz out of Toronto media at the time was that rask didn't really matter cause pogge was going to be something special.

I think this article by Simmonds is unfair because I sure don't remember him crying over the deal when it happened.

its like if we go back and try to cry over dealing off ranford for moog back in the day... I personally didn't like that deal but I was a minority. most bruin fans I knew back then loved moog and loved lemelin and were happier with the old guys than they would have been going through growing pains with ranford

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Neat how we turned Raycroft (who's in Italy), Lashoff (who's in Switzerland), Lehtonen (who's in Russia), and Byron Bitz (who's done) into Rask, Recchi, Seidenberg, Bartkowski, Khudobin, and Warsofsky.
Bitz is done? What happened? I liked him quite a bit for what he was.

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Neat how we turned Raycroft (who's in Italy), Lashoff (who's in Switzerland), Lehtonen (who's in Russia), and Byron Bitz (who's done) into Rask, Recchi, Seidenberg, Bartkowski, Khudobin, and Warsofsky.
You forgot that they had to give up future superstar Vladimir Sobotka

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