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04-28-2013, 10:37 PM
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Havlat: Did he leave on good terms??

Any chance Sens fans would want Marty Havlat back in their top 6 for 2 years?? Didn't follow the Sens back then, was he traded for good reason or was it a bitter departure?..He could slot w/ Turris or Spezza. what would you give up?

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04-28-2013, 10:38 PM
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I don't think there would be riots, if that's what you're asking.

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As I recall he was traded cause Muckler didn't think he'd be able to resign him, and cause he had a tendency to get injured. I'm sure someone has a better account of the trade though.

I'd love to see him back but not through any sort of trade. Free agency though, yeah

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Sure what do you want for him?

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Any chance Sens fans would want Marty Havlat back in their top 6 for 2 years?? Didn't follow the Sens back then, was he traded for good reason or was it a bitter departure?..He could slot w/ Turris or Spezza. what would you give up?
Don't see relations a problem but the Sens are going with a youth movement. New players added are more like Turris and Conacher, young guys with upside.

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I'd take Marty back in a heartbeat... provided we are making a trade based on his current market value (vastly overpaid, injury prone 40-point winger), and not "2008-era Havlat" value.

We'd be doing the sharks a HUGE favor by taking Havlat off their hands. If we can get him on a "Jussi Jokinen" deal, I'm on board... but to give up anything that would be considered a "valuable asset"... well, I'd probably pass.

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Didn't ruffle my feathers when he was traded.

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The return we got for him was awful though

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04-28-2013, 10:44 PM
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He was going to be too expensive and was paid by the Hawks after being traded. Not sure what stage he's at but we're pretty desperate for wingers.

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Michalek for Havlat and Demers

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The return we got for him was awful though
WeirdCrotch can hopefully help even it out.

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he wanted too much money, and the sens wernt willing to spend it on a guy who had only really proven himself when playing 2nd/3rd line minutes and was habitually injured. Even if the sens were willing to spend the money on him, they couldnt afford it under the cap IIRC.

the low return kind of proved that no-one else was willing to give him the money he wanted + the assets.

I'd take him back, but he's still overpaid, so the return would be bad.

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I see what you did there......


Sharks could eat part of his remaining deal of 2yr/10mil..Though Sens have lots of cap room.
Wanting a pick and 2/3 line winger prospect would suffice. Any chance Prince is available?? DW loves them 67's

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Please, give us back Hossa and Chara too!

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Why not Redden while we are at it. And Meszaros. Maybe even Volchenkov? Next year pairings:

Chara-Meszaros
Phillips-Redden
Volchenkov-Karlsson

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I see what you did there......


Sharks could eat part of his remaining deal of 2yr/10mil..Though Sens have lots of cap room.
Wanting a pick and 2/3 line winger prospect would suffice. Any chance Prince is available?? DW loves them 67's
Havlat, at this stage in his career, is a 2/3 winger.

Why on earth would we give up a 2/3 winger (who is probably making less than Havlat in the first place) and a pick in order to get a 2/3 winger back? We have to pay a pick to make a lateral move?

Doesn't make sense.


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didn't see the word "prospect" there. Not going to bother editing my post because: lazy.

Regardless, I don't want to give up Prince (that's just me, though, I admit I'm higher on him than other Sens fans might be).

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04-28-2013, 11:27 PM
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He could help fill out the top 6 no doubt but he's just too injury prone

*Maybe* but only on a 2 year contract at the very most

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04-28-2013, 11:31 PM
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I'd take him back, and I also think the return we got for him is more of a reflection of Muckler's incompetence rather than an accurate measure of Havlat's value.

It was mostly a cap move as I recall.

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04-29-2013, 01:00 AM
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I'd take him back, and I also think the return we got for him is more of a reflection of Muckler's incompetence rather than an accurate measure of Havlat's value.

It was mostly a cap move as I recall.
The Cap was $39 million and we had Chara, Redden to resign (Chara left). I think it might have been the year we resigned Heatley at $7.5 and Spezza at $7 too. Our amazing 05/06 team was decimated by the cap and yet we still made the finals in 06/07 with a worse roster.

Havlat was RFA and said he only wanted to sign a 1 year deal and then become a free agent in a year.

Looking at the Cap... we did do well. We got rid of Smolinski, who we could not afford due to cap issues. And we got Priessing who made under $1 million and was a 30+ point defenceman. He had a very good regular season here on the bottom pairing... but was exposed in the playoffs... and he ended up getting a big UFA deal then was sent to the minors or bought out or something. But cap wise it did make sense. We lost a ton of $$$$ off the cap. Probably $6 million with Smoke and Havlat (if he got a 1 year RFA deal) and got a super cheap useful (for a year at least) D-Man.

Too bad we did not do a crazy thing (in hindsight)... trade Heatley before he resigned for $7.5 for tons of futures, picks, resign Chara... let Redden walk... sign Havlat.

But there is no hindsight for me past 2008 first round of the draft. Any change before then may see us NOT draft Karlsson and I would not ever want to change that.

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Why not Redden while we are at it. And Meszaros. Maybe even Volchenkov? Next year pairings:

Chara-Meszaros
Phillips-Redden
Volchenkov-Karlsson
Who is Karlsson?

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04-29-2013, 12:27 PM
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For people who didn't watch the NHL back then or follow that closely, it's important to remember we were working with a $39 million cap after the lockout, and even though it rose to $44 million the year we signed Havlat, things were very tight. I don't think the salary cap was expected to raise so much yearly, and there was even the possibility of rollbacks (can't remember if everyone knew the raise would be voted by players as routine - obviously it makes sense they would in retrospect).

Sens Rule, the Spezza/Heatley signings happened the next year (Murray as GM, fall of 2007), but it's possible one could not have been signed if Havlat had a hefty contract.

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04-29-2013, 12:49 PM
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That ship has sailed many years ago on a one way trip. Sorry, but no thanks.

Sens need to get tougher skilled guy. A rare commodity.

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Havlat was my favorite player, so I can recollect the trade very well.

Havlat and his agent came out and said that they would only sign a 1 year contract because they wanted to test free agency in the next off season.

He was then traded to Chicago and they offered him a 3 year 6M per season deal which he quickly signed.

When his contract ran out in Chicago, his agent called Bryan Murray up and asked if the Sens had any interest. The $ was a non issue (I think an even 5M per), but Havlat wanted a 5 year co and Murray was only interested in offering a 2 year.

Havlat signed his 5x5 contract with Minnie, and Murray signed Kovalev to a 2 year/10M contract.

Sens need scoring help, I would take Mach9 back in a heartbeat.

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04-29-2013, 06:09 PM
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A trade won't happen. Havlat left on fine terms, but there are a number of issues with him returning, namely;

1. Ottawa has an internal cap. If Alfredsson returns there is NO money for Havlat whatsoever.

2. Havlat is underwhelming at this point in his career and Ottawa has a horde of prospects that are NHL ready. Havlat on a two year contract causes moe problems than it could solve.

3. Even if Alfredsson retires, Ottawa decides it wants a veteran forward, and the Sharks keep enough salary for Ottawa to make it work, Ottawa is rebuilding. Trading for an old player is pretty contrary to the idea behind a rebuild.

It's a poor fit. I'm sure there is another team out there that will offer something for him, but I seriously doubt it will be Ottawa.

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We only have room for 1 player liek that, so it's either Havlat, or Lats.

A enigmatic player who's highly injjury prone.

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