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Wiercioch or Gryba vs. Montreal? Poll added

View Poll Results: Whom do you prefer?
Wiercioch 60 48.39%
Gryba 41 33.06%
Both 23 18.55%
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04-29-2013, 05:35 PM
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Wrong; Benoit

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Wrong; Benoit
How about both.

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04-29-2013, 07:42 PM
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If they're going to cycle the puck in our zone I want to punish them. Gryba. Plus, I actually worry a bit about Weircioch in his own zone, depite loving what he can do for the offense.

Start with Gryba, and if we need the boost we'll have to change.
I worry about Gryba in our end too though. Tough one for me. Voted Wiercioch, but that was liekly because I saw the results first, I'm pretty split. Slight lean towards Patty.

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04-29-2013, 07:51 PM
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I'd start with Gryba on a short leash even though I prefer Wiercioch. It's nice having 3 defencemen that can lay out huge open ice hits, and that might get Mtl second guessing themselves.

Edit: I probably wouldn't blink if we put both in and kept Phillips out, but then again, he really gets more blame than he should imo.

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04-30-2013, 09:12 AM
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I'd start with Gryba on a short leash even though I prefer Wiercioch. It's nice having 3 defencemen that can lay out huge open ice hits, and that might get Mtl second guessing themselves.

Edit: I probably wouldn't blink if we put both in and kept Phillips out, but then again, he really gets more blame than he should imo.
Agreed. I think Phillips has been a tank for most of the season. He gets a lot of grief here because MacLean puts him on the PP and makes a bad pass here and there - but overall he's pretty solid. I've been really happy with Phillips this season.

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04-30-2013, 09:19 AM
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I say we start with Gryba, and if the offense really struggles we can sub in Weircoch.

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04-30-2013, 10:30 AM
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Weircioch.

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04-30-2013, 10:40 AM
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Voted Wier, seeing as how whoever draws into the lineup will have his minutes managed as the #6 guy, and if you're managing minutes, Wier is more effective.

If we have an injury that requires us to move either Wier or Gryba into an 18 min/night role however, I'll take Gryba.

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04-30-2013, 10:45 AM
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Voted Wier, seeing as how whoever draws into the lineup will have his minutes managed as the #6 guy, and if you're managing minutes, Wier is more effective.

If we have an injury that requires us to move either Wier or Gryba into an 18 min/night role however, I'll take Gryba.
I voted both, but the more I think about it the more I lean towards Weircioch. If you protect him a bit he's a very effective dman, and he helps create offense. There's a small trade off in our own zone, but I think he more than makes up for it. For me, its very close between the two but I think I'd prefer seeing Weircioch start the series back with Phillips.

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Yeah, I'd prefer a more mobile defenseman against Montreal. Hence Wier.

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04-30-2013, 11:28 AM
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Gryba for the first few games. Grind them down a little and go from there.

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Voted for Wier. If Montreal exposes him defensively, throw Gryba in.

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Defensively Wier worries me. Ottawa permits a ton of shots on net, so I'd like to have someone capable of clearing the crease with some authority. I'm also a big fan of setting a physical tone early in a series so the other team is scared to go to the net - I just don't see that with Wier in the lineup.

No problem with swapping Gryba out if we need more offense.

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04-30-2013, 12:30 PM
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wiercioch game 1? less nervous
see how it goes, adjust for game 2

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I'd go with Gryba. It goes without saying that he's more of a physical stay at home defencemen which will be needed to slow down the quick paced Montreal attack.

Besides, the Sens already have Karlsson and Gonchar to move the puck up the ice. Wiercoch would just be overkill in my opinion. That's not to say I don't think he should see any playoff action down the road. Just saying I'd start with Grybs if I were McLean.

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04-30-2013, 12:43 PM
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I'd play the more physical guy to start, which would be Gryba.

Really try and punish Montreal's forwards.

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Defensively Wier worries me. Ottawa permits a ton of shots on net, so I'd like to have someone capable of clearing the crease with some authority. I'm also a big fan of setting a physical tone early in a series so the other team is scared to go to the net - I just don't see that with Wier in the lineup.

No problem with swapping Gryba out if we need more offense.
On that point (re: Ottawa gives up a ton of shots).
Corsi:
Weircioch - 19.15
Gryba - (3.69)

Not saying your points aren't valid (I think they are tremendously valid), just adding info regarding shots for/against between the two players.

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I'd play the more physical guy to start, which would be Gryba.

Really try and punish Montreal's forwards.
i was thinking that at first but then thought gryba would be the more nervous of the two and more prone to costly mistakes. we'll still have cowen, methot, phillips

not sure what the right move is.

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Wiercioch seemed less than solid against Boston, and logged the least minutes of the 5 D we had left after Phillips went down. I wonder if this will hurt his chances of being in game 1.

I wish Benoit was in the mix more. I loved him in the early part of the year, but his play seemed to tail off at the end.

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04-30-2013, 01:21 PM
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Habs are small, we need a puck mover.

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On that point (re: Ottawa gives up a ton of shots).
Corsi:
Weircioch - 19.15
Gryba - (3.69)

Not saying your points aren't valid (I think they are tremendously valid), just adding info regarding shots for/against between the two players.
I don't pretend to know anything about Corsi so perhaps my following statement will be completely invalid but...

In terms of TOI Gryba gets about 5 mins more per game with 0 mins on the PP compared to Wier's 2:20. Maybe that accounts for the shot differential, but as I said, really not familiar with how Corsi is calculated.

Perhaps the bigger question is how much PP time we expect to get per game in a playoff matchup against the Habs.

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I don't pretend to know anything about Corsi so perhaps my following statement will be completely invalid but...

In terms of TOI Gryba gets about 5 mins more per game with 0 mins on the PP compared to Wier's 2:20. Maybe that accounts for the shot differential, but as I said, really not familiar with how Corsi is calculated.

Perhaps the bigger question is how much PP time we expect to get per game in a playoff matchup against the Habs.
Corsi numbers above are Even Strength only, and expressed in per 60 mins of ice time.

What these numbers suggest is that if each will likely play around 15 mins ES as a 6th D man, you can expect ottawa to get 4-5 more shots on net than the opposition with Wiercioch on the ice in a given game, and the opposition to get 1 more shot than Ottawa if Gryba were to play those 15 mins.

Obviously, this doesn't take into account that Gryba played with Methot and Wiercioch played with Gonchar primarily, or the quality of the competition, ect, so take it with a grain of salt.


Edit: When I say shots above, I mean directed towards the net, this includes blocked shots, and shots that go wide.

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I don't pretend to know anything about Corsi so perhaps my following statement will be completely invalid but...

In terms of TOI Gryba gets about 5 mins more per game with 0 mins on the PP compared to Wier's 2:20. Maybe that accounts for the shot differential, but as I said, really not familiar with how Corsi is calculated.

Perhaps the bigger question is how much PP time we expect to get per game in a playoff matchup against the Habs.
That Corsi stat is for 5 on 5 only.

You're gonna think I'm arguing with you, but that's not the case. I actually think you're bang on and making great points. Special teams, as you say, should be a big factor in the decision and Gryba on the PK may be more important than what little we'd see of Weircioch on the PP. Would LOVE to not see Phillips on the PP though...

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if phillips is injured, then both.

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I'd play Gryba. He's had some up and downs but has been the better of the two over the course of the year.

The Habs are smaller and fast, so I want the better skater out there. Gryba gets around ice much quicker than Wiercioch. Going forward Wiercioch is fine but going backward and making turns, he is slow. I can just see him being being beat wide all night long. Coupled with his poor decision making in his own end, I'm not liking it.

Stats are great for Wiercioch but I still more or less view him as a PP specialist at this point. Love his hands, shot and offensive vision. His stretch passes are great too. But he really struggles when we dont have the puck.

I wish we had another puck mover to work with Gryba (maybe Benoit even). I see him being better when he can hand the puck to another defenceman for the breakout. Gryba is pretty good at everything except for initial puck movement - he's a capable depth guy with outside shot at top 4 potential.

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