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05-12-2013, 10:49 PM
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Horcoff + 3rd rounder + Klefbom or Hemsky

Horcoff helps your center depth with experience/leadership
God that's tempting...

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05-12-2013, 10:51 PM
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Columbus
Vanek
Rights to luke adam

Buffalo
14
23
Jenner

I do not want to trade vanek and I'm not even sure I would take this package. Vanek should easily pull two mid round picks.

I think I would do Murray and 18 for vanek. But columbus needs murray.
Such a deal would be possible.

Columbus would be alot more dangerous if they had Vanek on one line and then Gaborik on the other.

They would have interest in Foligno.

Buffalo would do...

Vanek + Sekera

Buffalo would be happy to take Murray back and send back Sekera as part of the deal

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05-12-2013, 10:56 PM
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Horcoff + 3rd rounder + Klefbom or Hemsky

Horcoff helps your center depth with experience/leadership
As long as Buffalo includes Hecht and Edmonton includes RNH.

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05-13-2013, 01:16 AM
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Couple offers I have come up with involving vanek:
To CBJ
23rd OV
Jenner
Foligno

To
EDM
7th OV
Hartikainen
MPS

To NYI
Nelson
2013 1st
Grabner

To NJD
Urbom
2013 1st
tedenby

To STL
Rattie
Perron
2014 1st

To DET
B.Smith
Tatar
2013 1st
Like 1st 3, hate last 3

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05-13-2013, 08:38 AM
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05-13-2013, 08:42 AM
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This easily qualifies as "several" offers. None really entice me that much.

LET IT BE HEARD AGAIN, WE DO NOT NEED TO TRADE VANEK.

If someone blows us away with an overpayment, or offer us a can't miss young player/prospect, then maybe he will be traded, but nothing short of that is going to net Vanek.

Until he specifically requests a trade, he will not be traded for any package similar to these.
As much as I love Vanek and would love him to stick around, he won't, he wants to win a cup he wants to contend.He won't get that in buffalo for another 3-4 years,at that point he will be 33-34 and the situation would be less favorable. We could get some quality assets for Vanek wich would speed up the process and allow us to contend faster.I hate to say it but from my perspective it wouild make sense to move vanek.

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BUF-NSH

Vanek,2nd-2013(buf) for 1st-2013(nsh),f.forsberg.

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05-13-2013, 12:15 PM
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Vanek,2nd-2013(buf) for 1st-2013(nsh),f.forsberg.

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Im all over this if this was offered.

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Couple offers I have come up with involving vanek:
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t
Snow's not packaging all that young talent, for 1 yr of Vanek.

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05-13-2013, 12:29 PM
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BUF-NSH

Vanek,2nd-2013(buf) for 1st-2013(nsh),f.forsberg.

Go.
Forsberg is effectively an untoiuchable on that team.

Nashville isnt going to give up their #4 without having a 1st round pick in this draft.

It would have to be Vanek + MIN #16 for NASH #4+ something else.

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Such a deal would be possible.

Columbus would be alot more dangerous if they had Vanek on one line and then Gaborik on the other.

They would have interest in Foligno.

Buffalo would do...

Vanek + Sekera

Buffalo would be happy to take Murray back and send back Sekera as part of the deal
Vanek and Gaborik, along with the young snipers and solid Defense. That would be amazing.

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Snow's not packaging all that young talent, for 1 yr of Vanek.
this is the type of move the Islanders need to make if they want to take that next step and be a regular playoff team.

Otherwise if they are going to wait for their youth they will be sitting in that 6th-11th in the team ranks where they may make the playoffs again in the next few years.

As it stands now they are still a solid bubble team going into next year with Detroit and Columbus coming over.

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this is the type of move the Islanders need to make if they want to take that next step and be a regular playoff team.

Otherwise if they are going to wait for their youth they will be sitting in that 6th-11th in the team ranks where they may make the playoffs again in the next few years.

As it stands now they are still a solid bubble team going into next year with Detroit and Columbus coming over.
They don't need to make that move. They could continue to look for value deals for players that fit their mold and not put undo strain on their finances until they get settled into their new digs -- a few years out, beyond the window of Vanek's (or Miller's going over to the other thread) availability.

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Miller
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To Edm for

7th Overall 2013
1st 2014
Dubnyk
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Would that work?

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Miller
Vanek

To Edm for

7th Overall 2013
1st 2014
Dubnyk
MPS

Would that work?
Yeah I would prolly take that. Vanek for the 7th overall and MPS might be a little low but Miller for Dub and 2014 1st evens it out.

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05-13-2013, 03:39 PM
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Miller
Vanek

To Edm for

7th Overall 2013
1st 2014
Dubnyk
MPS

Would that work?
Don't need Dubnyk, I think Buffalo is set on an Enroth/Hackett combo this year and will be looking for skaters instead of goalies coming back.

Also I think Buffalo would do a lot better trading Miller and Vanek in separate deals. They could get better than #7 + MPS for Vanek alone and a 2014 1st + Dubnyk for Miller doesn't address team needs.

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05-13-2013, 04:26 PM
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Unless we get a significantly better return than what came back for Pominville I'd rather extend Vanek and trade Miller.

After a hypothetical Miller trade (Miller for mid 2013 1st + a two decent prospects) we'd presumably have 5 of the first 48 picks in this year's loaded draft plus an extra two 2nd's next year. Grigorenko, Armia, Larsson, Pysyk and McNabb should all see time in Buffalo this year.

The best prospects our system has to offer are about to arrive and we already have the extra picks this year to restock. I don't see this as a full 4-6 year rebuild but a 2-3 year retooling. Enroth/Hackett can at least be league average in goal. A few smart FA signings and the development of our young players and we can be back contending in a 2-3 short years.

I also think another reason we should keep Vanek is the timing. It's the same situation of why we were forced to match his contract after Briere and Drury left. Pominville is gone. Miller has a foot out the door. They need a face of the franchise to promote through the rebuild. Give him a 5-7 year extension and the C and he'll by the time his career is over he'll be second to Perreault in franchise goals and points and have his number retired.

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Don't need Dubnyk, I think Buffalo is set on an Enroth/Hackett combo this year and will be looking for skaters instead of goalies coming back.

Also I think Buffalo would do a lot better trading Miller and Vanek in separate deals. They could get better than #7 + MPS for Vanek alone and a 2014 1st + Dubnyk for Miller doesn't address team needs.
Enroth/Hackett is not a sure thing. That deal is excellent value for Buffalo and I think a smart GM would take it (which is why I am not sure Darcy would). Picking 7 and 8 this year would be awesome and potentially allow us to move up to 4, or get two excellent players if we stand pat. Dubnyk may be a downgrade to Miller but he is much more of a sure thing than Hackett at this point, who has upside but proven little. It also gives us another 1st next year to go along with our 1st and three 2nds. And MPS.

You would say no? Very short sighted. You are not taking the value of years of team control into account with 2 firsts and MPS vs 1 year each of Miller and Vanek.

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this is the type of move the Islanders need to make if they want to take that next step and be a regular playoff team.

Otherwise if they are going to wait for their youth they will be sitting in that 6th-11th in the team ranks where they may make the playoffs again in the next few years.

As it stands now they are still a solid bubble team going into next year with Detroit and Columbus coming over.
Vanek will not be the only quality vet available over the next 14 months.

Nelson + 2013 1st + Grabner for 1 yr of Vanek is a Milbury type move. Not even tempting.

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BUF-NSH

Vanek,2nd-2013(buf) for 1st-2013(nsh),f.forsberg.

Go.
How about this? It was posted on the Sabres' board last week:

To Buffalo:
Nashville's 1st round pick, 4th overall, 2013
Ryan Ellis, D

To Nashville:
Buffalo's 1st round pick, 8th overall, 2013
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Unless we get a significantly better return than what came back for Pominville I'd rather extend Vanek and trade Miller.

After a hypothetical Miller trade (Miller for mid 2013 1st + a two decent prospects) we'd presumably have 5 of the first 48 picks in this year's loaded draft plus an extra two 2nd's next year. Grigorenko, Armia, Larsson, Pysyk and McNabb should all see time in Buffalo this year.

The best prospects our system has to offer are about to arrive and we already have the extra picks this year to restock. I don't see this as a full 4-6 year rebuild but a 2-3 year retooling. Enroth/Hackett can at least be league average in goal. A few smart FA signings and the development of our young players and we can be back contending in a 2-3 short years.

I also think another reason we should keep Vanek is the timing. It's the same situation of why we were forced to match his contract after Briere and Drury left. Pominville is gone. Miller has a foot out the door. They need a face of the franchise to promote through the rebuild. Give him a 5-7 year extension and the C and he'll by the time his career is over he'll be second to Perreault in franchise goals and points and have his number retired.
This is exactly my thought process. Of course, it all depends on Vanek being willing to re-sign in Buffalo, and I wonder whether trading Miller would make that even less likely to happen. It's for this reason I'd like to keep both and rebuild around them. They're both pieces we're eventually going to need in order to win, so why give them up and have to find them again later?

If we're blown away with an offer for either, or if we know that they won't re-sign, then I'd be open to dealing either (Miller more-so), but if I was Darcy, wouldn't be itching to get rid of either at this point.

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How about this? It was posted on the Sabres' board last week:

To Buffalo:
Nashville's 1st round pick, 4th overall, 2013
Ryan Ellis, D

To Nashville:
Buffalo's 1st round pick, 8th overall, 2013
Thomas Vanek, LW
No thanks, we need Wingers (Vanek) more than C (Barkov) and D (Ellis).

Again, if we are going to trade Vanek, bet your @ss we are getting a winger back.

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No thanks, we need Wingers (Vanek) more than C (Barkov) and D (Ellis).

Again, if we are going to trade Vanek, bet your @ss we are getting a winger back.


WE NEED WINGERS!!! said no GM... ever

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Vanek will not be the only quality vet available over the next 14 months.

Nelson + 2013 1st + Grabner for 1 yr of Vanek is a Milbury type move. Not even tempting.
Vanek is an elite winger not a quality vet.

What other elite wingers will be available?

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Enroth/Hackett is not a sure thing. That deal is excellent value for Buffalo and I think a smart GM would take it (which is why I am not sure Darcy would). Picking 7 and 8 this year would be awesome and potentially allow us to move up to 4, or get two excellent players if we stand pat. Dubnyk may be a downgrade to Miller but he is much more of a sure thing than Hackett at this point, who has upside but proven little. It also gives us another 1st next year to go along with our 1st and three 2nds. And MPS.

You would say no? Very short sighted. You are not taking the value of years of team control into account with 2 firsts and MPS vs 1 year each of Miller and Vanek.
Yeah but you are missing the point about team needs. Whats the point of moving Pominville for a goalie to just trade for another one before giving Hackett a chance? If we were contending next year I would agree Dubnyk would be a nice piece to get back, but we're not. We have two young goalies in the organization and we are much better off letting them compete to see what they have before bringing in anyone else, especially when the team has publicly acknowledged a rebuild. Yes Hackett is unproven, but rebuilding seasons are the perfect time to give young goalies a chance to prove themselves.

MPS does little for me at this point as well. He's settled into his role on the third line and I'd rather get someone with more upside back.

Also with Vanek and Miller I'd predict the Oilers to get out of the first round next year. In return for either star in an individual trade, I want a 2013 1st, or a potential top 10 pick for 2014. A late 1st we don't get to use for another year should not be the primary piece in a trade for a star player, especially in the offseason when there is no rush to move the player. Vanek for the #7 + MPS is a no from me, and Miller for Dubnyk + late 2014 1st is also a no. We can do better elsewhere for both players.

Now I'd trade Miller immediately for the #7 + Klefbom, but I want absolutely no part of Dubnyk coming back. Sure it's value, but it's a waste of value in an area we don't need.

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How about this? It was posted on the Sabres' board last week:

To Buffalo:
Nashville's 1st round pick, 4th overall, 2013
Ryan Ellis, D

To Nashville:
Buffalo's 1st round pick, 8th overall, 2013
Thomas Vanek, LW
absolute no. We're not giving Nashville a discount based on an IOU from that Gaustad trade.

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