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04-30-2013, 12:30 PM
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Stastny for Grabovski

Paul Stastny
Cap Hit - $6,600,000

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YearGPGAPTS
2012-20134091524
2011-201279213253
2010-201174223557

Mikhail Grabovski
Cap Hit - $5,500,000

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YearGPGAPTS
2012-2013489716
2011-201274232851
2010-201181292958

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04-30-2013, 12:33 PM
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Coloroado doesn't do it.

"BUT THE STATS SAY...!"

There's no logical reason for Colorado to do this deal. Saving 900K is also not a logical reason to accept this deal.

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Absolutely no interest. A huge no thanks.

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Coloroado doesn't do it.

"BUT THE STATS SAY...!"

There's no logical reason for Colorado to do this deal. Saving 900K is also not a logical reason to accept this deal.
What if the Leafs eat some salary?

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I'd like to see Stastny play for a different coach now that Sacco is gone. He might be worth keeping.

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What if the Leafs eat some salary?
I don't think the Avs have any interest in a deal revolving around Grabovski and Stastny. Salary isn't an issue for us. I would easily rather have Stastny under a new coach than Grabovski.

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04-30-2013, 12:54 PM
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Read this article before judging Grabovski. They are similar players, Stastny just happens to have a more recognizable name / more upside.

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So the reason for a pointless swap that doesn't address any needs is an article about Grabovski?

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Read this article before judging Grabovski. They are similar players, Stastny just happens to have a more recognizable name / more upside.
Great, you keep Grabovski then.




We have no interest in a Stastny/Grabovski swap.

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04-30-2013, 01:05 PM
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Read this article before judging Grabovski. They are similar players, Stastny just happens to have a more recognizable name / more upside.
They're pretty much completely different players. Grabovski is a rushing forward that thinks shoot and Stastny is a playmaker/cycling center.

Grabovski has a terrible contract for another four years. Stastny is on his last year.

I wouldn't count out Avs trading Stastny if they can't agree to an extension, but I think they'll turn him into something of value instead of take on bad salary.

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Read this article before judging Grabovski. They are similar players, Stastny just happens to have a more recognizable name / more upside.
So why are you willing to take on >1 million in cap space for such a similar player?

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Doesn't make sense for Colorado. Stastny is a UFA in one year, so his caphit is essentially negligible when talking about caphit versus performance.

Grabo is a bad contract. Stastny is an expiring contract that they can trade for fairly high value, and for a team need like defence, not for another C.

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04-30-2013, 01:27 PM
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Grabovski needs a change of scenario but this is pretty bad for Colorado

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The only incentive I could see to do this would be for Colorado to shed the bad contract and have more room to work with. But since Stastny's contract is shorter than Grabovski's it's a pretty bad deal for the Avs all round

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Paul Stastny
Cap Hit - $6,600,000

Stats
YearGPGAPTS
2012-20134091524
2011-201279213253
2010-201174223557

Mikhail Grabovski
Cap Hit - $5,500,000

Stats
YearGPGAPTS
2012-2013489716
2011-201274232851
2010-201181292958
I understand they are equal value----but the issue is Stasny has one yr left while Grabo has umpteen yrs left.

Toronto will have to: (1) eat salary , (2) give Colorado picks/propects, or (3) another pai of players are added where Colorado is getting back a player who has one year left vs a player having multiple years left.

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I understand they are equal value----but the issue is Stasny has one yr left while Grabo has umpteen yrs left.

Toronto will have to: (1) eat salary , (2) give Colorado picks/propects, or (3) another pai of players are added where Colorado is getting back a player who has one year left vs a player having multiple years left.
There not even of equal value....

Even in two down years for Stastny, he has out produced Grabovski. 24 Pts in 40 compared to 16 in 48.



Stastny holds a significant amount more value then Grabs.

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I understand they are equal value----but the issue is Stasny has one yr left while Grabo has umpteen yrs left.

Toronto will have to: (1) eat salary , (2) give Colorado picks/propects, or (3) another pai of players are added where Colorado is getting back a player who has one year left vs a player having multiple years left.
i.e. Colorado adds David Jones in exchange for...?


EDIT: Did Grabo get over those gastro-intestinal issues? Or was it nothing to worry about?


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There not even of equal value....

Even in two down years for Stastny, he has out produced Grabovski. 24 Pts in 40 compared to 16 in 48.



Stastny holds a significant amount more value then Grabs.
They're only comparable if you play the old game of.... Lets compare Player X's two best seasons against Player Y's two worst seasons! OMG, they're sooooo comparable...

Stastny has shown a much higher ceiling than Grabo has. At his worst, Stastny is pretty comparable to Grabo at his best. That's about all that can be said. No way Colorado has any interest in this.

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Maybe if Grabovski was making 4M I would think about it, but for 900k extra I take Stastny

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04-30-2013, 02:52 PM
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Toronto likely gets the better end of it.

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Colorado laughs at that deal.

With ROR and Duchene set to be the top 2 centers in Colorado why would they have any interest in having Grabo as the third best center with that high of a salary and cap hit?

Grabo is a better player then he has looked this season but having said that doesn't really fit the needs of Toronto. I bet we're stuck with him until a bit more time expires on his contract.

If the Leafs did trade Grabo, Nonis would get little in return and should be looking at teams like Buffalo and Calgary who will just be starting their rebuilds this summer. Grabo does have a high 5.5 cap hit for 4 more year but those teams will have to overpay in years and dollars to attract free agents so it isn't as bad to them as it would be to good teams.

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04-30-2013, 05:17 PM
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Center is the last position the Avs are goin to trade him for.

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Read this article before judging Grabovski. They are similar players, Stastny just happens to have a more recognizable name / more upside.
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They're pretty much completely different players. Grabovski is a rushing forward that thinks shoot and Stastny is a playmaker/cycling center.
Agree completely. Grabo needs a playmaking winger (something MacA accomplished the other year for that line). But he's a very defensively sound center. But a shoot first one who needs the right linemates to flourish.

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Grabovski has a terrible contract for another four years. Stastny is on his last year.

I wouldn't count out Avs trading Stastny if they can't agree to an extension, but I think they'll turn him into something of value instead of take on bad salary.
He's not on a terrible contract. For a defensively sound 2nd line center, he's adequately paid. The issue is the coach plays him in a 3rd line role due to the fit/chemistry (behind Kadri and Bozak) - at which point he's overpaid.

If Toronto wanted to move him, they'd have no issues doing so - but much like Luongo, the return and timing could vary. Now that being said, it doesn't make any sense for Colorado to move Stastny for Garbo. They have Duchene and ROR already down the middle. I don't really see a fit for Garbo. If they choose to keep Stastny, it'll be at a cheaper cost than what he's currently making (likely the 5m range), and try and follow the success Pittsburgh had when they ran Crosby/Malkin/Staal down the middle... just under a more affordable model.

If they choose to move him (Stastny), they could get several assets in return (teams like Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, etc) who could all use a playmaking top 6 center who's defensively sound.

As for Garbo in general... I think he gets crapped on unfairly because he's a Leaf. Leaf fans overrate him (then get **** on - or **** on him when he doesn't produce at whatever rate everyone thinks he should), and everyone else dumps on him because Leaf fans overrate him. I think he's fine as a #2C on most teams, and most GMs would be happy to have him. That said... if I was building my team, I'd want playmaking centers over shoot first guys simply because they make the guys around them better... especially when you have 3 good wingers in Lupul, JVR and Kessel. That doesn't make him a bad player. It just means the fit has to be there for him to be effective.

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It's a sideways move for both teams, unless Toronto ate 1.5 million of Grabovski's salary. Grabovski at 4 million is a better value than Stastny at 6.6.

That's the only way something like this would happen

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Sideways moves for both teams but the value is pretty equal regardless of what some posters say on here.

Col likely taking Jones in the draft is well positioned to move forward. With Duschene and O'Reily down the middle Stastny becomes over priced and redundant. I can see them moving him for more D help, grit and veteran leadership. They need a culture change though.

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