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05-11-2013, 02:51 AM
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Man it's something else to see the way continuity works in Detroit.

I remember in 2001-2003 era it was Datsyuk and Zetterberg that were the young bucks on a team full of Robitaille/Hull/Yzerman/Shanahan/Fedorov, and were consistently the ones that needed sheltering, that needed tutoring, that needed support. They were the guys that would celebrate most with every goal. Jumping up and down on the bench, leaping into the arms of the old vets.

Fast forward 10-11 years. Now they have Brunner/Nyqvist/Andersson, the new generation, looking up to the Datsyuk's/Zetterberg's of the team, who're suddenly the playoff-hardened vets with all the experience and advice. Seeing those kids jump into the arms of those vets after OT-winning goals is like remembering Datsyuk/Zetterberg celebrating back then, jumping into Shanny/Fedorov..

No wonder that team has such a celebrated heritage. Must have been like that back in the day with TML/Habs when they were racking up Cups in the 40's-70's. Hard not to get attached when you see continuity like that.

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Man it's something else to see the way continuity works in Detroit.

I remember in 2001-2003 era it was Datsyuk and Zetterberg that were the young bucks on a team full of Robitaille/Hull/Yzerman/Shanahan/Fedorov, and were consistently the ones that needed sheltering, that needed tutoring, that needed support. They were the guys that would celebrate most with every goal. Jumping up and down on the bench, leaping into the arms of the old vets.

Fast forward 10-11 years. Now they have Brunner/Nyqvist/Andersson, the new generation, looking up to the Datsyuk's/Zetterberg's of the team, who're suddenly the playoff-hardened vets with all the experience and advice. Seeing those kids jump into the arms of those vets after OT-winning goals is like remembering Datsyuk/Zetterberg celebrating back then, jumping into Shanny/Fedorov..

No wonder that team has such a celebrated heritage. Must have been like that back in the day with TML/Habs when they were racking up Cups in the 40's-70's. Hard not to get attached when you see continuity like that.
Yup, and that's totally what will happen, and I'm sure they aren't missing ANY Key piece from that earlier team you talked about. Yup, no one at all.

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Man it's something else to see the way continuity works in Detroit.

I remember in 2001-2003 era it was Datsyuk and Zetterberg that were the young bucks on a team full of Robitaille/Hull/Yzerman/Shanahan/Fedorov, and were consistently the ones that needed sheltering, that needed tutoring, that needed support. They were the guys that would celebrate most with every goal. Jumping up and down on the bench, leaping into the arms of the old vets.

Fast forward 10-11 years. Now they have Brunner/Nyqvist/Andersson, the new generation, looking up to the Datsyuk's/Zetterberg's of the team, who're suddenly the playoff-hardened vets with all the experience and advice. Seeing those kids jump into the arms of those vets after OT-winning goals is like remembering Datsyuk/Zetterberg celebrating back then, jumping into Shanny/Fedorov..

No wonder that team has such a celebrated heritage. Must have been like that back in the day with TML/Habs when they were racking up Cups in the 40's-70's. Hard not to get attached when you see continuity like that.
Except Brunner is old (and nothing special), and Nyquist/Smith/Tatar/etc aren't even close to being on the same level as Lidstrom or Datsyuk. Hell, they're not even really outplaying Rajala

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Man it's something else to see the way continuity works in Detroit.

I remember in 2001-2003 era it was Datsyuk and Zetterberg that were the young bucks on a team full of Robitaille/Hull/Yzerman/Shanahan/Fedorov, and were consistently the ones that needed sheltering, that needed tutoring, that needed support. They were the guys that would celebrate most with every goal. Jumping up and down on the bench, leaping into the arms of the old vets.

Fast forward 10-11 years. Now they have Brunner/Nyqvist/Andersson, the new generation, looking up to the Datsyuk's/Zetterberg's of the team, who're suddenly the playoff-hardened vets with all the experience and advice. Seeing those kids jump into the arms of those vets after OT-winning goals is like remembering Datsyuk/Zetterberg celebrating back then, jumping into Shanny/Fedorov..

No wonder that team has such a celebrated heritage. Must have been like that back in the day with TML/Habs when they were racking up Cups in the 40's-70's. Hard not to get attached when you see continuity like that.
I've often said Pavel Datsyuk is the best player in the world. Just predictable the yeoman work he's doing in this series and Ducks would steamroll the Wings without him. Pavel is front center for Detroit in every area. Getting puck out of his own zone breaking plays, being amazingly creative in offensive end ragging the puck in tight quarters like few players ever can. He's a magician with the puck and the games top student when he doesn't have it.

So yeah, better than Sidney Crosby. Interestingly in respective series thus far Crosby has one more point but is a minus player playing against a team they should be able to sweep. So against an 8th seed Crosby isn't even holding his own.

Conversely Datsyuk is playing one of the best teams and some of the best players in hockey and he's with an outmanned and outmatched Wings side that he had to will into the playoffs in the first place and he's a plus player.

In the respective series Crosby's contribution is a shadow of the work put in by Datsyuk. OV? lol, lets not even go there.

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Except Brunner is old (and nothing special), and Nyquist/Smith/Tatar/etc aren't even close to being on the same level as Lidstrom or Datsyuk. Hell, they're not even really outplaying Rajala
Brunner hasn't had much finish in this series thats for sure. Getting chances, breaks and not burying.

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Interesting recap of the Kings/Blues classic matchup.

Kings just shut the Blues down. Other than an out of body experience from Steen getting 3 goals on down the lineup not much success. Most Blues were stoned, Oshie ended up with 2 goals. But around 4-5 of the ten blues goals in the series Quick, in uncharacteristic fashion had a hand in. Quick juicy rebounds alone led directly to 3 Blues goals.
In the entire series you don't find one Blues goal on a tic tac toe or breakdown. Theres some grind goals in the mix and some fortunate bounces. Blues didn't make one bonafide scoring play in entire series where they were able to undress LA. Never happened, 6 games, never happened.

Conversely most of the Kings goals came off strong transition plays where they burned the Blues coverage and exposed them. Kings only scored 12 goals in the series but did so without any of the puck luck around the net that the Blues got.

The hockey gods handed the Blues a huge chance in the first 2 games of this series and they did nothing with it. Chris Stewart had 1 assist in this series, thats it. Zero goals. Andy Macdonald didn't get on the board. Half a dozen blues players probably still cussing about what the hell just happened.

Final thought. The Blues rarely ever held a lead in this series. Hard to win games when you're never in front. No coincidence though playing against LA who are experts at making you play from behind.

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I've often said Pavel Datsyuk is the best player in the world. Just predictable the yeoman work he's doing in this series and Ducks would steamroll the Wings without him. Pavel is front center for Detroit in every area. Getting puck out of his own zone breaking plays, being amazingly creative in offensive end ragging the puck in tight quarters like few players ever can. He's a magician with the puck and the games top student when he doesn't have it.

So yeah, better than Sidney Crosby. Interestingly in respective series thus far Crosby has one more point but is a minus player playing against a team they should be able to sweep. So against an 8th seed Crosby isn't even holding his own.

Conversely Datsyuk is playing one of the best teams and some of the best players in hockey and he's with an outmanned and outmatched Wings side that he had to will into the playoffs in the first place and he's a plus player.

In the respective series Crosby's contribution is a shadow of the work put in by Datsyuk. OV? lol, lets not even go there.
Am I the only one who thinks the Ducks are a bit of an overrated hockey team?

Great top end scoring with Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan. But after Selanne no one else on that forward group gives me much cause for concern. On defense Beauchemin is a solid top pairing guy, but then they have a very mediocre group.

Frankly I don't think Bruce Boudreau gets nearly enough credit for making this team as competitive as they are. There are a LOT of mediocre players on the Ducks hockey team and he has them playing a cohesive team game. Even with him though I think this team is more pretender than contender.

No disagreement in regards to Datsyuk though. Him and Zetterberg are among the best in the world. Zetterberg was incredible in the last game. How Detroit managed to get two players as good at both ends of the ice as Datsyuk and Zetterberg... it's crazy.

Zetterberg and Datsyuk as two guys under 6 feet tall are a great example of you being able to build a competitive team without needing centermen over 6 feet tall. These two never looked over matched physically and then are both undersized by most peoples standards.

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I've often said Pavel Datsyuk is the best player in the world. Just predictable the yeoman work he's doing in this series and Ducks would steamroll the Wings without him. Pavel is front center for Detroit in every area. Getting puck out of his own zone breaking plays, being amazingly creative in offensive end ragging the puck in tight quarters like few players ever can. He's a magician with the puck and the games top student when he doesn't have it.

So yeah, better than Sidney Crosby. Interestingly in respective series thus far Crosby has one more point but is a minus player playing against a team they should be able to sweep. So against an 8th seed Crosby isn't even holding his own.

Conversely Datsyuk is playing one of the best teams and some of the best players in hockey and he's with an outmanned and outmatched Wings side that he had to will into the playoffs in the first place and he's a plus player.

In the respective series Crosby's contribution is a shadow of the work put in by Datsyuk. OV? lol, lets not even go there.
Agreed. When it comes down to matchups and playing in these kind of games, Datsyuk always seems to out-shine Crosby.

Datsyuk's held that GPR line to a combined 11 points through 6 games now, while he and Zetter combined have put up 13 points by themselves.

They're going up against the most difficult head-to-head matchup in that series and winning it. The Ducks aren't winning because of the GPR line, they're winning because their 2nd/3rd lines are able to break out against the weaker 2nd/3rd lines of DET.

As for the height statement by Spawn - be careful. Zetterberg/Datsyuk have some otherworldly ability to overpower/outskill bigger players. Not many players in the league possess this kind of ability. To expect the likes of Gagner/Eberle to become these kind of players is setting yourself up for disappointment.

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Except Brunner is old (and nothing special), and Nyquist/Smith/Tatar/etc aren't even close to being on the same level as Lidstrom or Datsyuk. Hell, they're not even really outplaying Rajala
Agreed, I don't see the Zetter/Dats potential in any of DET's future up and comers - although with Tatar/Nyqvist there's still some potential for at least a Filppula-level talent. There's a kid in Sweden named Calle Jarnkrok that many think could be something special when he comes over. Brunner/Andersson are not going to get much better than they currently are.

And of course, the biggest neutralizer and stabilizer, Nicklas Lidstrom, is out of the fold.

Detroit right now is a team that is stagnant - declining if anything. This year may well be their "last hurrah" before they have to re-tool (either through UFA's or some miraculous international signings). But as a big fan of that team over the past 20 years, it has been fun to see a team dominate/make the playoffs over 2-3 eras of NHL hockey.

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Yup, and that's totally what will happen, and I'm sure they aren't missing ANY Key piece from that earlier team you talked about. Yup, no one at all.
I sense some bitterness in your words. But that's okay. Hard to be even-keeled when the Oilers have had one meaningful playoff run in the past 15 years or so.

Detroit's likely going to fall apart here in the next 2-3 seasons, especially with Datsyuk slated to leave prematurely for Russia. Zetterberg will struggle to hold the fort down, and that team will likely have to go the UFA route to acquire talent if they're going to continue to make the playoffs.

Hakan Andersson may have a few more tricks up his sleeve though...

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How the hell is this Pens team so sloppy defensively. They keep having breakdowns at the worst times. And it's not even a case of the Isles being better/creating the chances, it's just pure sloppy, bad play leading to easy chances against.

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Am I the only one who thinks the Ducks are a bit of an overrated hockey team?
Nope, I agree. This season has been an anomaly for them. Once you get past Getz and Perry (Ryan as well) there are very few forward pieces that scare me. Etem is coming along but is not quite at a "gamebreaker" type level as of yet. Palmieri could turn out to be a premier power forward but again has not yet earned that distinction.

Their defense is decent but lacks a true minute muncher that can control the finest nuances of the game every time he hits the ice, which in this day and age afaic is a requisite piece needed to win the Cup.

Based on all of that, I do not believe they are a real contender this year.

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Capuono keeps getting the Tavares vs. Malkin match-up and Tavares is just abusing Malkin.

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Islanders just manhandling the Penguins right now. The Penguins don't deserve to win this series. I thought they were going to be a cup favourite, but they look far from it.

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I sense some bitterness in your words. But that's okay. Hard to be even-keeled when the Oilers have had one meaningful playoff run in the past 15 years or so.
Bitterness? You have very poor understanding of people.

It's General annoyance at the ignorance that is ALWAYS present when talking about the Red Wings, as if the Red Wings are some magical team who have perfect, flawless, prospect management.

The Ignorance that COMPLETE skips over the fact FOR 20 SEASONS THEY HAD THE BEST DEFENSEMAN OF HIS GENERATION PLAY AT A RIDICULOUSLY HIGH LEVEL WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT INJURY. To Ignore that contribution is simple ignorant.

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If the season were 82 games no way would the Wings make the playoffs. Nor the Wild for that matter.

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Bitterness? You have very poor understanding of people.

It's General annoyance at the ignorance that is ALWAYS present when talking about the Red Wings, as if the Red Wings are some magical team who have perfect, flawless, prospect management.

The Ignorance that COMPLETE skips over the fact FOR 20 SEASONS THEY HAD THE BEST DEFENSEMAN OF HIS GENERATION PLAY AT A RIDICULOUSLY HIGH LEVEL WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT INJURY. To Ignore that contribution is simple ignorant.
Yeah, I completely disregard that fact eh? Look at my avatar bud. Complete ignorance.

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Well there go the Islanders. If Pittsburgh can't handle them there's little chance they get past the Sens.

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Well there go the Islanders. If Pittsburgh can't handle them there's little chance they get past the Sens.
How the hell did Colin McDonald turn into a great 4th liner? JFJ/Fraser were "better" options

He's always impressed me more than Vandevelde as well.

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How the hell did Colin McDonald turn into a great 4th liner? JFJ/Fraser were "better" options

He's always impressed me more than Vandevelde as well.
The Isles signed him to a pretty sweet extension too.

Just a little over $600k for two more years.

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Yeah, I completely disregard that fact eh? Look at my avatar bud. Complete ignorance.
It doesn't fit in the "narrative" you're trying to create, that's why you leave it out.

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It doesn't fit in the "narrative" you're trying to create, that's why you leave it out.
I was talking about the DRW forwards. I don't see what talking about Lidstrom has to do about my "narrative". It's more of a reflection than a narrative btw. I don't see why I have to include him in the discussion when he's no longer playing. Either way continue your tantrum...

Lidstrom's hands-down the greatest DRW player since Howe. All-time he will go down better than Yzerman (deservingly so). Their recent period of dominance began and ended with him.

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The Islanders were one of the hottest teams going into the playoffs. They were 11-2-4 in their last 17 games of the season.

The Senators got to play an injured Habs team that was cold going into the playoffs. I watched every game in their series and it looked to me like Ottawa won because the Habs were playing horrible, not because the Sens were playing good.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pens had an easier time against the Sens than they did against the Islanders.

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The Islanders played that series with a lot of heart and a giant chip on their shoulder, I think everyone laughed them off going into this series and even the Pens took them a bit lightly.

Pittsburgh's D though ... yikes. Need to tighten up otherwise they're not getting out of the East.

Malkin seems to be playing hurt IMO, but he still was a driving force on the last two Penguin goals.

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The Islanders were one of the hottest teams going into the playoffs. They were 11-2-4 in their last 17 games of the season.

The Senators got to play an injured Habs team that was cold going into the playoffs. I watched every game in their series and it looked to me like Ottawa won because the Habs were playing horrible, not because the Sens were playing good.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pens had an easier time against the Sens than they did against the Islanders.
The x factor is Paul Mclean he's a great coach and gets the most out of his players (something i wish Edmonton could acquire in the coaching ranks) Pittsburgh is a really great offensive team with mediocre goaltending and defense (though vokoun is an upgrade) I think its a 6 game series still see Pitts winning

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