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WCQF Gm#1: KINGS vs. BLUES - 4/30/13 - Tough Pill, But We'll Bounce Back!

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05-01-2013, 10:09 AM
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Has Sutter said why he decided to switch up the lines with a week left in the season? Obviously Brown's suspension required some type of change, but I don't understand why you split up Richards/Carter and Kopi/Williams.

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Seriously, how much man is Regehr? This is why I will always love hockey over any other sport.

Poor Muzzin and Ellerby (and poor us), haha. Those guys are just such an adventure together. I hope the experience has proven valuable, though. I don't think Muzzin will survive the series if games like last night are the norm...he had more highlight reels put on him alone than the sum of all the NHL games last night put together!

Ellerby, well, I feel for him, like him, and want him to grow, but right now he's Randy Jones incarnate.

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05-01-2013, 10:17 AM
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Over reaction is a common theme after a loss. Let's be positive.
First off Blues best effort was last night, LA was one of their worse.
Quick is just as good as last year. Blues won't beat him 4 times.
LA wins the next game we get home ice back 3 of 5 game series.

What we need to do next game:
Stop messing with the puck in our D, if there is no play up on the boards and out.
King- Ellerby need to be replaced. Fraser and Green\Marts should be in.
Put the lines back together.
Get some emotion back but don't take stupid penalties
Score the first goal. Put doubt in their heads, we saw that after we tied it. They are metally fragile.

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05-01-2013, 10:26 AM
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Brown-Kopitar-Williams
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so many people going full retard. yes JQ screwed up. he will be the first to admit it. they wouldn't have got to OT without his performance. everyone knows it is an adventure when he tries playing the puck, so don't act like it is a big surprise. the guy over thought, over analyzed what he was going to do and the next thing he knew Steen was on him. he tried ringing it back to DD behind him and it took a short bounce. **** happens.

LA took everything STL could muster and it was 1-0. really all the talk of the Blues being different and 'LA hasn't seen this team'.....and the best they could do was 1-1 into OT. i will give the Blues credit, they played a very smart and physical game that kept LA off their game. they did a great job on knowing beforehand and then executing on LA's plays. there seemed to almost always be someone in a STL sweater in the LA lanes.

at the same time you could see as the game progressed that LA was gaining the upper hand and momentum. STL was starting to wither, which i hope is a sign of them not being comfortable in pressure situations. LA on the other hand just goes about their business.

yeah the outcome sucked and it would have been great to steal that W, which would have really messed with STL's mind. in the end it is one game.

Sutter needs to go back to the normal line combos for the 1st and 2nd. i know he is trying to jump start Kopi with Carter, but now Richards is totally off. Kopi also needs JW to play off and work possession for shots. im not totally sold on Cliffy with the #1 line, but it is worth further time to see. 13-11-14 and 23-10-77 combos for the next game

the staff will review and change LA's breakouts and attacks. Sutter has been great at this and i expect it to continue.

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05-01-2013, 10:36 AM
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05-01-2013, 10:41 AM
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Has Sutter said why he decided to switch up the lines with a week left in the season? Obviously Brown's suspension required some type of change, but I don't understand why you split up Richards/Carter and Kopi/Williams.
On NBC during the game, I think I heard Engblom say something like Sutter said he did it so that the team didn't get too comfortable and try to recreate the magic of last year. Change it up to get it in the players heads that it's not 2012, and they have to earn the Cup all over again. Or that could've been what Engblom thought, or thought what Sutter meant. I'm not sure.

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05-01-2013, 10:57 AM
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King only missed one regular season game this year. Hard to imagine him getting scratched. There's just something about him that Sutter loves no matter how terribly he plays.

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King only missed one regular season game this year. Hard to imagine him getting scratched. There's just something about him that Sutter loves no matter how terribly he plays.
We need King's size!

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Just stopping in really quick. How can you say that the best the Blues can do is score one goal? That's what they ended up with (in regulation) last night, but that doesn't mean they can't put more pressure on and net 3 or 4. I don't understand the logic at all. You literally have people saying the Blues can't win. Look up the matchup history before last year. The Blues used to dominate them as well...It'll all even out eventually.

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Keaton Ellerby
All we can hope for is a healthy scratch for next game....maybe put in Martinez?

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05-01-2013, 11:15 AM
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Just stopping in really quick. How can you say that the best the Blues can do is score one goal? That's what they ended up with (in regulation) last night, but that doesn't mean they can't put more pressure on and net 3 or 4. I don't understand the logic at all. You literally have people saying the Blues can't win. Look up the matchup history before last year. The Blues used to dominate them as well...It'll all even out eventually.
The Blues have it in them and I don't know if we can expect Quick to have to steal every game. That was not LA's best foot forward. Blues came out pumped and trying to send a message to LA and themselves.

Plus this is a Kings fans forum after a difficult loss, what do you expect, weeping and gnashing of teeth? -Which their is plenty of ;-)

St. Louis probably breathed life in an otherwise dead carcass by letting LA back into the game.

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Greene-Martinez
I am not sure these guys are even healthy. Martinez hasn't played in what, 4-6 weeks? When Martinez did play he wasn't looking very good.

I think we are going to have to rely on Ellerby/Muzzin and hope for Greene's return.

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it was a great game last night. All I can say. May the best team win the series.

Both Goalies were great.

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On NBC during the game, I think I heard Engblom say something like Sutter said he did it so that the team didn't get too comfortable and try to recreate the magic of last year. Change it up to get it in the players heads that it's not 2012, and they have to earn the Cup all over again.
Thanks. That makes sense, to a point.

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Or that could've been what Engblom thought, or thought what Sutter meant. I'm not sure.
And actually, Sutter was just ordering a coffee.

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On NBC during the game, I think I heard Engblom say something like Sutter said he did it so that the team didn't get too comfortable and try to recreate the magic of last year. Change it up to get it in the players heads that it's not 2012, and they have to earn the Cup all over again. Or that could've been what Engblom thought, or thought what Sutter meant. I'm not sure.
This line of logic makes no sense to me. Let's take something that worked amazingly last year and switch it up completely so we can be different. Why? The players know that this is a different year, you don't need to completely throw them off on the day of the playoffs.

The biggest problem though is the timing. If you do this a couple of weeks ago then it's no big deal. But they are all trying to adjust to new lines from what they played for the past year in the middle of the most important games of the season.

It's not just Richards who is having issues, but Carter as well. He doesn't look the same out there with Kopitar. He had one excellent chance 5 on 5 last night and spent the majority of the time out of the offensive zone. We do not need Carter to go cold right now. Put him with someone he's familiar with. You want to try these lines next year fine, but not now.

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Game 2 will be really interesting. Will the Blues come out the way they did in game 1 and take it to the Kings again? Likely, especially if the Kings play the way they did.

Or, will the Blues of the OT period show up? You know, the ones who's spirit was damaged by letting the Kings back into Game 1. The ones who even their coach said they played in OT "not to lose". What doubts linger in their mind? And then, will the Kings of the OT period show up for a full 60?

As the world turns.....

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The Kings started looking like the Kings again in the OT.

Guys like Nolan, King, Richardson, and Clifford had better get in quicker on the Blues' defense and forecheck with more intensity.

That Richardson - Kopitar - Carter line was a complete waste of time last night.

Kopitar is playing fine in his own end, but seems to have reverted to taking what the other team gives him in the offensive zone and that is not a good thing for the Kings.

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Meh, I think it was Engblom who said it was all about not making a mistake in the OT, Quick unfortunately made a huge one (hopefully his only Morris-moment of this year). Just get a win in game 2 and keep playing good hockey in LA and they'll be fine.

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I came here to ***** about our lines and im glad im not the only one that saw those lines as a problem.

Maybe this has been discussed by why the **** is Sutter breaking up team chemistry??

Brown-Kopitar-Williams...they have chemistry, someone on that lines is always producing

Carter-Richards....Chemistry; Carter score the goals Richards sets them up. You can even argue that Penner is key on this line as that he's the big body that wins the board battles

I can honestly say ive never questioned Sutter before but those lines last night were baffling to me and i hope he goes back.

Also, despite the loss and all the BS...Playoff Penner is back, he looked great last night.

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Kings deserved to lose 5-1 with that performance. If they don't play better, Quick's gaffe isn't even going to matter because it will be a short series.

Ellerby is a disaster and is not an NHL defenseman unless the league expands by two more teams.

St. Louis is a better team due to LA losing Mitchell/Greene/Martinez from last year for Regher/Muzzin/Ellerby. Quick is going to have to steal this series...it simply looked like one team being much, much hungrier for the win than the other.

Kings have elite players and are not a garbage team so I'm not saying it's over, but they have not been playing well as of late and, as I've mentioned before, their horrible road record is not an aberration. Losing out on home ice was an enormous choke job.

Martinez has to be hurt. He was terrible too after coming back from injury but he's better than Ellerby: Sutter isn't stupid enough to not realize that, he just looks like it.

I've had the replay of the GWG running through my head all night and then this morning still. Winning the Cup dulls the pain as most fans will tell you their team has a mulligan the year after winning so I'm not as furious as I'd usually be, but it's a real donkey punch nevertheless.

That wouldn't of happened to last year's squad. If anyone expected to see a repeat of last year, I hope you now realize that things are going to be different. This team can still win, no doubt, but 16-4 is not going to happen.

As for St. Louis, I told my friend before the game yesterday that Reeves was the x factor for the Blues. Couldn't understand why they didn't play him until Game 4 last year to try and wear down our guys like they were wearing down theirs. He had an immediate impact in that game (the closest of the series) and was an absolute force last night. Reeves and the rest of their big boys came out and collectively punched the Kings in the teeth. I don't care if the final hit stats were in the Kings favor: boxers don't usually win fights when they land three more punches than the other guy but absorb twenty more power punches than the other...they got steamrolled out there.

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Someone needs to take Quick to a pool hall and show him how to play. The angle he used off the board was pretty funny. We were all over them. Not to worried. I would like to of heard Greene's resp once to Quick. Haha

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We have the best player on the ice last night. I like our chances.

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I agree their 4th line was great. Reaves was a bull last night, but he was worthless for them vs. us last year--consistently behind the play, etc. They have found some depth magic with that current group, though.

Cracknell is gonna get suspended for pulling a Brown, right?

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The beauty in all this, is that it's a 7 game series. Kings played like poop, and almost won. Nuff said. Game 2 WILL be a different story.

Some Kings fans here need to turn in any kings jerseys they might have and put on some Blues ones. good lord, one game and they turncoat lol

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