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05-30-2013, 11:45 AM
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The 2.2M per day figure was salaries plus fees. The salaries are about 1.3M and the fee is about 0.9M. I keep buying players though. I do expect to make some nice coin when I sell players at the end of the season.
Ah, I didn't check, but I was thinking you must have had about 100 players in your team

Up to yesterday, I was forking out about 2.2 mill in fees and salaries combined also.

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For handball do they list out the punishments and what happens?

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Lost friendlies in handball (41:21, terrible goaltending) and in hockey (dsespite outshooting oponent 20:35, also bad goalie).

What do you think would be better long term strategy for my hockey team, sell most of my top players at the end of the season (last day of season is when transfer fees reset for me, now at around 37%) while their CL is still at 3/6 or 2/6 and increase the speed of arena/facilities upgrades, or only sell few as i am planning and continue to have a decent team and collect some more wins in my league and get decent sponsor offers. I should add that i should be able to start 3 max tripples at the end of the season (and if things go like planned without a loan), and have 20k arena by the end of season 16, but my expenses right now are almost 1M per day (over 1M but the 50k login bonus just puts it under) as my expensive players really take a bite out of my budget.

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Already $1.5M on my first coach with 50 min left

Do you guys think the proper player development strategy will be to specialize offensive and defensive players? Seems like developing an elite 2-way player would have to keep him from his potential on either side of the court. Although the difference between offensive and defensive positions seems to be only shooting vs. blocking skill. The guide doesn't distinguish offensive and defensive positional skills, otherwise. So maybe a great back with good shooting and blocking quality could go both ways?

ETA: Final price for my 22 OR coach was $3.6M. Idiots.


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So how does handball work, are there line changes during play similar to hockey- I see we can do basically a forward and defense line. Like kytihu was going for if it's on the fly you can basically have a F line (high shooting) and a D line (high blocking).

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A quick update on my CL campaign this season...

As I posted earlier, I'm never too keen to lose energy in these comps, generally because my team is far inferior to everyone else in the group.

This season I have been faring much better, results-wise, and picked up an impressive scalp on the road >> HERE.

That result puts me in a decent spot to challenge for the knockout stages, but again, I'm very reluctant to waste energy on a comp I can't possibly win.

Some nice OTR in the bag though
Damn. You have me beat by ~0.4 OTR . And I did all that with 1 season in the CWC and I only won a couple games

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Had a brief conversation with Scott the other day about Hockey Ratios and player types.

In all, I think there at the most 6 types of players a team needs.

Here are the 6 I've tentatively conjured up, along with ratios I intend using in the short term.

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GK/BLK/PASS/TECH/SPEED
100/70/60/40/30

Defensive Back:
FiP/BLK/PASS/TECH/SPEED/AGG
100/70/70/50/40/30

Offensive Back:
FiP/SHOOT/PASS/TECH/SPEED/AGG
100/70/70/60/30/30

Defensive Pivot:
FiP/BLK/SHOOT/AGG/TECH/PASS/SPEED
100/30/30/70/70/30/30

Offensive Pivot:
FiP/SHOOT/AGG/TECH/PASS/SPEED
100/40/70/70/50/30

Winger:
FiP/SHOOT/SPEED/TECH/PASS/AGG
100/50/70/60/50/30
The above, or more likely a variant of it, should work well in theory, but, and it's a big but.... Are we punished for using 2 different sets of players?

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Damn. You have me beat by ~0.4 OTR . And I did all that with 1 season in the CWC and I only won a couple games
Come to my country - play at the most, if you win the trophy, 5 meaningful NC games per season.

Come to my country -play at the most, if you become league champion, 15 meaningful games per season including PO's.

Come to my country, where winning the league title gives you 8mill prize money.

I could go on....

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Had a brief conversation with Scott the other day about Hockey Ratios and player types.

In all, I think there at the most 6 types of players a team needs.

Here are the 6 I've tentatively conjured up, along with ratios I intend using in the short term.



The above, or more likely a variant of it, should work well in theory, but, and it's a big but.... Are we punished for using 2 different sets of players?
A couple interesting observations from those archetypes:

1. The need for shooting on the defensive pivot suggests that there would be situations where a defensive pivot would be playing offense. Is that something we should consider? Perhaps on fast breaks, the defensive pivot doesn't sub out on-the-fly?

2. No blocking is called out on the wing players. If I look at the lineup chart, there are wing positions in the defense formation. So is the inference that wings don't actually do much on the defense? Or that like the defensive pivot, defensive wings can also be found playing offense in some situations?

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Using that theory on players my ideal roster would be 27 players, 4 full lines (2 sets offensive and defensive) and 3 goalies, maybe 4 once start making enough money to not care about daily fee. Be a while until I start on that mission- right now all these players are disposable to me.

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Had a brief conversation with Scott the other day about Hockey Ratios and player types.
I was taken aback there at first, I realize now you meant Handball. We'll need some disparity among GKs to start figuring it out. Once we have a decent spectrum it shouldn't take more than 20 GKs to nail down the best ratio for them and thus everyone.

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Come to my country - play at the most, if you win the trophy, 5 meaningful NC games per season.

Come to my country -play at the most, if you become league champion, 15 meaningful games per season including PO's.

Come to my country, where winning the league title gives you 8mill prize money.

I could go on....
I've thought about Ireland actually. Every time I floss I am surprised that Oral-B's stuff is made in Ireland. Next to alcohol that has to be the main export. Unless you sell potatoes... (I know little of Ireland besides stereotypes, sorry.)

But on that note, can't be worse than the total tool we have running the country here in Canada! I could ramble on about all the crap he does and gets away with (rigging elections even).

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Had a brief conversation with Scott the other day about Hockey Ratios and player types.

In all, I think there at the most 6 types of players a team needs.

Here are the 6 I've tentatively conjured up, along with ratios I intend using in the short term.



The above, or more likely a variant of it, should work well in theory, but, and it's a big but.... Are we punished for using 2 different sets of players?

I am rolling with that as well. But a little different on the ratios. But that is because I am going to build towards how I use my Defensive play and Offensive Play in the long run.

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I am rolling with that as well. But a little different on the ratios. But that is because I am going to build towards how I use my Defensive play and Offensive Play in the long run.
I'm holding off any kind of intelligent design (hehe) until I get facilities that can actually train at a reasonable clip *and* I know the Qs well enough to make education decisions.

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1. The need for shooting on the defensive pivot suggests that there would be situations where a defensive pivot would be playing offense. Is that something we should consider? Perhaps on fast breaks, the defensive pivot doesn't sub out on-the-fly?
Well, from what I'm reading in the forums, and by no means has this been confirmed, is that we can use separate formations that change on the fly (Offensive and Defensive), which means no training required for a defensive pivot in shooting, and no training required for an offensive pivot in blocking.
Of course, one can choose to train both blocking and shooting - but you would have a far more effective specialist in both positions with higher attributes.

BTW, I have yet to find out if there is a punishment/penalty to your team if you go with 2 sets of players for attacking and defending.

I would like to think there isn't, but I just know!

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2. No blocking is called out on the wing players. If I look at the lineup chart, there are wing positions in the defense formation. So is the inference that wings don't actually do much on the defense? Or that like the defensive pivot, defensive wings can also be found playing offense in some situations?
See my comment above and exchange "pivot" for "winger".

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I was taken aback there at first, I realize now you meant Handball. We'll need some disparity among GKs to start figuring it out. Once we have a decent spectrum it shouldn't take more than 20 GKs to nail down the best ratio for them and thus everyone.

I've thought about Ireland actually. Every time I floss I am surprised that Oral-B's stuff is made in Ireland. Next to alcohol that has to be the main export. Unless you sell potatoes... (I know little of Ireland besides stereotypes, sorry.)

But on that note, can't be worse than the total tool we have running the country here in Canada! I could ramble on about all the crap he does and gets away with (rigging elections even).
Yep - brain fart on my part - I of course meant handball.

Ireland is a great place with plenty of things to do/see, but the weather is'nt great at the best of times, it's actually gotten worse over the last 20 years or so.
Rain is the bane of all Irish citizen lives here...

Canada, I have to admit, I know pretty little about that country.
Maple leaf on the flag, and that you say the word "about" in an odd manner
As for your president?, I have no idea who that is, I have never heard him being mentioned over here on Irish channels or English channels.

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I'm holding off any kind of intelligent design (hehe) until I get facilities that can actually train at a reasonable clip *and* I know the Qs well enough to make education decisions.
Yep - I kinda agree with this, the ratios won't come into affect for a while yet.

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and like that... my national cup run is over

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anyone know what side the bench is on in handball ?

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anyone know what side the bench is on in handball ?
No clue, and doubt the GE takes it into account.

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and like that... my national cup run is over
My team had their best showing yet. While most others had byes that means extra OTR and ticket revenue for me

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Canada, I have to admit, I know pretty little about that country.
Maple leaf on the flag, and that you say the word "about" in an odd manner
As for your president?, I have no idea who that is, I have never heard him being mentioned over here on Irish channels or English channels.

Yep - I kinda agree with this, the ratios won't come into affect for a while yet.
Canada used to be a fantastic country full of great people and wild land. Those in change have sold our soul for cash and our land/resources are being ***** for the betterment of our neighbours to the south. Everything we took pride in is being whittled away in the name of "business". Slowly becoming more and more like the nation we were proud of being different from.

Regarding ratios... I still think it'll be one of the two I mentioned in the email.

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Well, from what I'm reading in the forums, and by no means has this been confirmed, is that we can use separate formations that change on the fly (Offensive and Defensive), which means no training required for a defensive pivot in shooting, and no training required for an offensive pivot in blocking.
Of course, one can choose to train both blocking and shooting - but you would have a far more effective specialist in both positions with higher attributes.
Ok, that was my original assumption as well. But when you posted the defensive pivot position with a shooting training ratio, it made me wonder.

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Ok, that was my original assumption as well. But when you posted the defensive pivot position with a shooting training ratio, it made me wonder.
My apologies, I did post shooting ratio on the defensive pivot. Totally intended too.

My reasoning behind it is that as pivots can intercept a pass, and they are the lone attacker in a 5-1 formation, they might actually need it.
Same aplies if you go 4-2 (2 D pivots) or 1-2-3 (3 D pivots)
I think a combo of blocking and shooting on these guys might work well/be a necessity?

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My apologies, I did post shooting ratio on the defensive pivot. Totally intended too.

My reasoning behind it is that as pivots can intercept a pass, and they are the lone attacker in a 5-1 formation, they might actually need it.
Same aplies if you go 4-2 (2 D pivots) or 1-2-3 (3 D pivots)
I think a combo of blocking and shooting on these guys might work well/be a necessity?
Completely agree. When you use fast breaks the pivot is the primary point of counter-attack.

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canucks357 the player i mentioned to you is on the market if you are interested (or anyone else ofc ):

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canucks357 the player i mentioned to you is on the market if you are interested (or anyone else ofc ):

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Thanks.

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For the past few games I have been using a 4-2 defense, fast breaks, winger preference. According to the image in the game reports, the two players up front are my left and right backs, with the wingers, pivot, and center back making up the four players in the back.

Now, I've only done this a few games, but it seems as if my two side backs (the players up top) seem to be going on more fast breaks than everybody else. The player with the third most is my center back, who is supposed to be subbed out when we go on offense, but it appears that he stays on the court for fast break opportunities.

Again, I've only used this strategy for three games I believe, but hopefully something can be learned from it.

Also, with 5 days remaining until he gets sold, my 178 OR player is already up to $800,000. I'm rich!

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Picked up my biggest win yet in II.4 beat the 5th place detroit slackers 1-0 using my bench and played VH. I got beat bad by the top 3 teams but used the bench with VL. So saw it as a spot that I could burn some energy and get a point or three. This places me in 11th and 16 points up 17th place.

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Picked up my biggest win yet in II.4 beat the 5th place detroit slackers 1-0 using my bench and played VH. I got beat bad by the top 3 teams but used the bench with VL. So saw it as a spot that I could burn some energy and get a point or three. This places me in 11th and 16 points up 17th place.
Congrats!

I lost in handball but i feel so much better now that the player i put on market 2 days ago for 2M actually has a bid, i was sure he wouldn't sell, now that i'll get some cash in the bank i can breathe easier about upgrading SA and training once current upgrades end and finishing with my arena, only 3 more medium stands to go then i'll leave it for some time.

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