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05-09-2013, 05:35 PM
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I think someone will drop.

Someone always drops.
I remember Conte telling a horror story about the 1988 Draft. Devils were at #12 and figured one of Selanne, Roenick, or Brind'Amour would be there. And then they went 8-9-10 and the Devils drafted a guy named Corey Foster.

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I remember Conte telling a horror story about the 1988 Draft. Devils were at #12 and figured one of Selanne, Roenick, or Brind'Amour would be there. And then they went 8-9-10 and the Devils drafted a guy named Corey Foster.

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Lou is going to see Parise V2 in Shinkaruk...I simply don't see how we pass up on him...pretty much the potential to be the same player Zach was...only with a better shot.

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I remember Conte telling a horror story about the 1988 Draft. Devils were at #12 and figured one of Selanne, Roenick, or Brind'Amour would be there. And then they went 8-9-10 and the Devils drafted a guy named Corey Foster.

They slipped up on the chance to draft a young RW named Peter DeBoer of the Windsor Spitfire that year. He ended up falling to 237th overall.

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Lou is going to see Parise V2 in Shinkaruk...I simply don't see how we pass up on him...pretty much the potential to be the same player Zach was...only with a better shot.
isn't Domi's comparison similar to Parise as well?

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Lou is going to see Parise V2 in Shinkaruk...I simply don't see how we pass up on him...pretty much the potential to be the same player Zach was...only with a better shot.
I see Domi more like Parise than Shinkaruk. Shinkaruk is more like Kessel.

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05-09-2013, 06:57 PM
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Based on the history of highly drafted defensemen, save for 2008, it's probably smarter to go with the elite forward at #1.
Especially this year, where arguably only one defenceman really belongs in the top 8. The rest of the elite tier are all forwards.

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I think someone will drop.

Someone always drops.
That's what I'm hoping for. Some of the GMs picking in front of us are known to be brain dead.

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I see Domi more like Parise than Shinkaruk. Shinkaruk is more like Kessel.
This is my understanding as well.

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This is my understanding as well.
Yes, confirmed.

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I remember Conte telling a horror story about the 1988 Draft. Devils were at #12 and figured one of Selanne, Roenick, or Brind'Amour would be there. And then they went 8-9-10 and the Devils drafted a guy named Corey Foster.
Look at that draft tho..after Selanne @10 there isn't a real good player picked until Rd 4

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05-09-2013, 10:44 PM
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Look at that draft tho..after Selanne @10 there isn't a real good player picked until Rd 4
Conte picked a guy named Matt Ruchty in the 4th round over Mark Recchi, Tony Amonte and Rob Blake.
If Merrill,Larsson,Wedge and some other of our top prospects and young players don't become impact players we have to say Conte has been a clueless bum.

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I'm all over Conte as much as you are, but was Conte even around for us in 88? I thought he came around in 93?

Another favorite first round bust. Lance Ward 10th overall in 96. He was so good he had to reenter the draft two years later, and was picked at 63rd overall by Florida.

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Well spoken kid. I bet Senior is training him.

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I'm at the point where I really wouldn't mind Ristolainen in the slightest bit. No thanks to Nurse or Zadorov, but I really can't complain about another potential top-pairing defenseman in the ranks. Merrill - Larsson - Risto looks pretty sweet to me. It's easier to acquire good forwards beyond the draft than defensemen, in my opinion, and I'm no longer sure any of the top 6 forwards are gonna be available at the ninth spot.

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Conte picked a guy named Matt Ruchty in the 4th round over Mark Recchi, Tony Amonte and Rob Blake.
If Merrill,Larsson,Wedge and some other of our top prospects and young players don't become impact players we have to say Conte has been a clueless bum.
Oh please. Pick ~20 teams in literally any round outside the first and I bet you can say "wow, they really missed out on THIS guy!"

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Conte picked a guy named Matt Ruchty in the 4th round over Mark Recchi, Tony Amonte and Rob Blake.
If Merrill,Larsson,Wedge and some other of our top prospects and young players don't become impact players we have to say Conte has been a clueless bum.
So did 90 other people...Tom Brady was pick 199...If any one knew those players would be any good they would have been selected alot sooner, Matt Ruchty had just as good of chance of being good as either of those three....

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I'm at the point where I really wouldn't mind Ristolainen in the slightest bit. No thanks to Nurse or Zadorov, but I really can't complain about another potential top-pairing defenseman in the ranks. Merrill - Larsson - Risto looks pretty sweet to me. It's easier to acquire good forwards beyond the draft than defensemen, in my opinion, and I'm no longer sure any of the top 6 forwards are gonna be available at the ninth spot.
I'd still very much prefer a forward. If Ristolainen is the BPA, take him and run. But I don't think he will be. At least one of the forwards will be there, I believe.

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05-10-2013, 08:40 AM
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I'm at the point where I really wouldn't mind Ristolainen in the slightest bit. No thanks to Nurse or Zadorov, but I really can't complain about another potential top-pairing defenseman in the ranks. Merrill - Larsson - Risto looks pretty sweet to me. It's easier to acquire good forwards beyond the draft than defensemen, in my opinion, and I'm no longer sure any of the top 6 forwards are gonna be available at the ninth spot.
If Ristolainen is the BPA at #9, I'm trading down a couple of spots, adding a extra pick and selecting one of Domi, Shinkaruk, Lazar, Zykov, Mantha or Gauthier.

That would be my gameplan.

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Conte picked a guy named Matt Ruchty in the 4th round over Mark Recchi, Tony Amonte and Rob Blake.
If Merrill,Larsson,Wedge and some other of our top prospects and young players don't become impact players we have to say Conte has been a clueless bum.
A clueless bum ?


People like to scrutinize, criticize and complain about each move Lou and Conte have made but when you look at the big picture, over the past 2 decades, most of the other team have been firing at will their GM's and other director of scouting for failing epically.

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Conte picked a guy named Matt Ruchty in the 4th round over Mark Recchi, Tony Amonte and Rob Blake.
If Merrill,Larsson,Wedge and some other of our top prospects and young players don't become impact players we have to say Conte has been a clueless bum.
I can't tell whether this is serious.

Let me a lay out a scenario for you: every NHL scout drafts based on picking names out of a hat for every two round interval. The higher the player's ISS ranking is, the more names he has in the hat.

In this completely random world of drafting, where the picks are based on nothing more than the general consensus, many team's would have several years of "genius" drafts where they get great players. At the same time, certain teams would flame out with their picks.

In this world, would you laud the good drafting teams and bash the bad drafting teams?

While the real draft isn't an exact replica of the situation I described above, it's fairly close. Whether people like to acknowledge it or not, a good portion of draft success and failure is dictated by luck.

The argument some of you are implicitly making is that Conte had great drafting skill in the 90s - that he was somehow able to better recognize the Gionta's and Morrison's and the Souray's of the world than other scouts, but he has somehow lost this ability in the 2000s. That makes no sense.

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I'm all over Conte as much as you are, but was Conte even around for us in 88? I thought he came around in 93?

Another favorite first round bust. Lance Ward 10th overall in 96. He was so good he had to reenter the draft two years later, and was picked at 63rd overall by Florida.

Never played a game for the Devils, nor their AHL affiliate.
Random Edmonton fan says "Our scouting sucks, back in '94 we drafted in the top 5 and got Jason Bonsignore and Mike Watt - we could have had Patrik Elias!"

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When we trade a 5th rounder for Andrei Loktionov the 1st person I think about this move is not Lou Lamoriello but David Conte.

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Wait nevermind, I get what you're saying.

I don't agree. You could go and say Conte is responsible for every trade we've made then since he should have scouted every player.

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Lou said in a interview someplace that he and Conte keep files on players they were keen on drafting but got picked by other teams. Said it influences trades they make.

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Wait nevermind, I get what you're saying.

I don't agree. You could go and say Conte is responsible for every trade we've made then since he should have scouted every player.
Did Conte need to scout Ponikarovksy ? don't think so. On the other hand, It's his job to do it with a kid like Loktionov. And he did it well.

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