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05-07-2013, 05:59 PM
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It is pretty obvious why Beasley always suggested that knowing the true cost of aren management would hinder the NHL's abiy to facilitate a local sale.
Turn out he was right knowing the real cost make screwing over the peoples of Glendale a lot harder.

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05-07-2013, 06:08 PM
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Lame, it sounds better in French.

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05-07-2013, 06:24 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That made my day right there!
Definately! The cartoony mascot head would make for a nice contrast with the oversized elk heads. Maybe it can be stuffed with all the shredded paper of garbage produced by Hocking, IFG and every other shyster who tried to concoct a lengthy justification by obfuscation for absurdly inflated AMFs.

So, we have the fire chief mentioning Russian roulette with public safety, the Monday front page story revealing the true cost of running the arena, then the NHL hastily postpones its meeting with Glendale and now the Great Gosbee and his clown contingent have postponed their meeting with the NHL. Sounds like the NHL's plan is falling apart. Since when does a mighty league postpone a meeting with a rinky-dink city without something big (i.e. national disaster, owner dying, some other kind of league-centric emergency) forcing them to cancel?

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05-07-2013, 06:28 PM
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Lame, it sounds better in French.
It sounds a lot better in French.

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05-07-2013, 07:01 PM
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It is pretty obvious why Beasley always suggested that knowing the true cost
of arena management would hinder the NHL's ability to facilitate a local sale.
That the then Mayor and all 7 Council Members just took his word for it....
I have a very hard time swallowing that. Crazy. Nuts. Like a Star Chamber.

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05-07-2013, 07:03 PM
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Getting things back on track.... Here's a rebuttal by FoxSports AZ on the news story from the AZ Republic.


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05-07-2013, 07:23 PM
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Getting things back on track.... Here's a rebuttal by FoxSports AZ on the news story from the AZ Republic.


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That article is madness. It's main point appears to be this:

''Without the Coyotes, there will only be 3 events a year in the arena, so they'll lose a lot of money! And the hotels and businesses in the arena will be empty! So they should suck it up and bury the new owners in money.

And they'll be forced to pay a fixed fee to an arena manager and be on the hook for the losses!''

That's BULL! If they actualy freaking try to get events (unlike the NHL right now) they'll get freaking events and fill the arena and the hostels and the businesses! Look at how the KC arena makes it's money!

And for the second part: If they sign a remotely good contract the city won't be on the hook for the losses and won't pay a fixed freaking fee! That'd be nuts! They ought to pay a commission based on success and have the manager be on hook for the losses!

That article might as well have been written by Bill Daly!

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05-07-2013, 07:30 PM
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That article is madness...
Damn straight it is. Completely disingenuous. Claptrap. Was wondering
when the NHL would fire back. Friendly platform in Fox, here we go....

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05-07-2013, 07:31 PM
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That article is madness. It's main point appears to be this:

''Without the Coyotes, there will only be 3 events a year in the arena, so they'll lose a lot of money! And the hotels and businesses in the arena will be empty! So they should suck it up and bury the new owners in money.

And they'll be forced to pay a fixed fee to an arena manager and be on the hook for the losses!''

That's BULL! If they actualy freaking try to get events (unlike the NHL right now) they'll get freaking events and fill the arena and the hostels and the businesses! Look at how the KC arena makes it's money!

And for the second part: If they sign a remotely good contract the city won't be on the hook for the losses and won't pay a fixed freaking fee! That'd be nuts! They ought to pay a commission based on success and have the manager be on hook for the losses!

That article might as well have been written by Bill Daly!
So why is the Republic article gospel and the Fox article "BULL!" ?

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05-07-2013, 07:35 PM
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So why is the Republic article gospel and the Fox article "BULL!" ?
Because its arguments are wrong: It says the arena will necessarely be empty without the Yotes and that the City will not only be on the hook for arena losses, but will also be forced to pay a FIXED high ''arena management fee''.

And that's simply not true.

I'm also not saying the other is gospel, only that the proof they are displaying looks legit.

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05-07-2013, 07:53 PM
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I'll let others, like CF, barney, etc, pick apart the "financials" of the article. I'm going to focus on Daly's comment.

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“The figures aren't even close to being accurate,” said NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly,
If Weiers and the rest of COG are sticking to the $5-6 million figures, it seems they have struck a chord with Daly. The NHL might take their team and go home, or at least someplace else. It certainly would explain the "logistical" issue that delayed today's scheduled meeting.

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05-07-2013, 08:00 PM
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Ah, the Pollock report. The one that indicates the best course of action for the city is to raze the facility.

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I'll let others, like CF, barney, etc, pick apart the "financials" of the article. I'm going to focus on Daly's comment.



If Weiers and the rest of COG are sticking to the $5-6 million figures, it seems they have struck a chord with Daly. The NHL might take their team and go home, or at least someplace else. It certainly would explain the "logistical" issue that delayed today's scheduled meeting.
No surprise that their "logistical issue" was all about doing a PR rebuttal before going back to the CoG. It never a good sign when you're reduced to negotiate by press release.

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05-07-2013, 08:10 PM
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No surprise that their "logistical issue" was all about doing a PR rebuttal before going back to the CoG. It never a good sign when you're reduced to negotiate by press release.
Are you sure its not a logical issue instead?

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05-07-2013, 08:20 PM
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No surprise that their "logistical issue" was all about doing a PR rebuttal before going back to the CoG. It never a good sign when you're reduced to negotiate by press release.
It's certainly interesting the NHL used the media to let the COG know of this and not a face to face. It doesn't bode too well to any further negotiations. It's not a good thing that most of the negotiations so far have been in the media.

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Getting things back on track.... Here's a rebuttal by FoxSports AZ on the news story from the AZ Republic.


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Ah, the classic fear-mongering, if the Coyotes leave then - doom.

Makes me wonder how the interest is with the RFP going so far. Has there been any interest especially without the Yotes. If they have serious interest in offering in that 6 mil range then there's no big hurry meeting with the league at this time. Guess we'll find out in a little over 2 weeks.

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Ah, the classic fear-mongering, if the Coyotes leave then - doom.
Somebody should tell them about the Sprint Center.

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Getting things back on track.... Here's a rebuttal by FoxSports AZ on the news story from the AZ Republic.

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Funny how this article moans about the deal dying over a few million dollars, while it mentions nothing about how the NHL screwed Glendale out of $50M in two short years for "arena management" and all the blame for those three pathetic events booked outside of hockey lies with the league.

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05-07-2013, 09:42 PM
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So why is the Republic article gospel and the Fox article "BULL!" ?
Because one supports their opinion on relocation. Guess which one. Hmmmm.

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Because one supports their opinion on relocation. Guess which one. Hmmmm.
One deals with facts the other not

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So why is the Republic article gospel and the Fox article "BULL!" ?
The FOX article ignores the fact that the only reason there are very few non-hockey events at Jobing is because
  • either the NHL deliberately destroyed the non-hockey business to make the Coyotes more valuable to Glendale
  • or the NHL are bungling incompetents
You know the old saying about not mistaking for malice, that which can be explained by gross incompetence. Anyhow, see http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=974
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I came across Pollstar Arena lists for 2010 & 2011 - tickets sold to non-sporting events - and observe this not-too-surprising trend:

2008: #59 Jobing.com Arena Glendale, AZ 200,377
2009: #58 Jobing.com Arena Glendale, AZ 208,877
2010: #80 Jobing.com Arena Glendale, AZ 150,661
2011: #177 Jobing.com Arena Glendale, AZ 52,628

And you wonder why the arena is losing money?
Since the NHL took over, the bottom has dropped out of non-sports attendance at Jobing. The city should consider suing for professional malpractice.

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so if they do end up having to raze the arena, i'd buy a seat. or does anyone know if i can still get a snuggie somewhere?

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But the picture might not be so gloomy. Recent comments from council member Gary Sherwood, vice mayor Yvonne Knaack and even Mayor Jerry Weiers have suggested they are open to a fee as high as $10 million or $12 million per year -- not far off from the high-end estimate of $15 million floated by some ownership groups.
When and where were such comments made? Or are they conveniently not in print? I haven't read or heard anything to substantiate this.

Again...

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Weiers: "Let me stop you for just a second. This is all assuming, and its a guess... there's nothing for sure, this is all assuming that the Arena Management Fee is no more than the $6M".

Schurhammer: "Yes, that's correct".

Weiers: "...and if that comes in at 8 or 9 then this is all out of whack again".

Schurhammer: "Yes".
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=140

Not discounting a flip/flop here by Weiers, but...

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That article is madness. It's main point appears to be this:

''Without the Coyotes, there will only be 3 events a year in the arena, so they'll lose a lot of money! And the hotels and businesses in the arena will be empty! So they should suck it up and bury the new owners in money.

And they'll be forced to pay a fixed fee to an arena manager and be on the hook for the losses!''

That's BULL! If they actualy freaking try to get events (unlike the NHL right now) they'll get freaking events and fill the arena and the hostels and the businesses! Look at how the KC arena makes it's money!

And for the second part: If they sign a remotely good contract the city won't be on the hook for the losses and won't pay a fixed freaking fee! That'd be nuts! They ought to pay a commission based on success and have the manager be on hook for the losses!

That article might as well have been written by Bill Daly!
If there are only 3 events in the arena all year, that tells me a few things...

1) The NHL has done a horrible job of managing the arena. (I believe that is their job, at least.)

2) Maybe, just maybe, Phoenix didn't need an arena in the suburbs when they have one smack dab downtown.

3) Building in Glendale defied logic.

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This is what i dont get

Arena manager: In a world without the Coyotes, the city would still have to hire an arena manager. The city’s request for proposals provides three methods in which a manager can operate. The most likely is a fixed management fee, where the manager is paid a fixed cost to operate, and the city is on the hook for the losses

I always tought PKP was a smart businessman so why is he ok with paying 5M a year to rent the new building in quebec city while he should have asked the city to be paid 5M to run it

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