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05-02-2013, 11:01 PM
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Habs - Devils

Kovalchuk
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Pacioretty
Markov
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Lets trade away the best scoring forward from one of the most anemic offensive teams. Sounds like a good idea

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Not as bad as it look . Devils still say no

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Kovalchuk
Gelinas

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Markov
1st in2013
Well, Pacioretty is good no doubt but Markov is on his last legs and the 1st in 2013 is likely to be late so its not like a top 10 pick were we could draft a future top 6 player. Devils say no pretty easily since the Org. is very high on Gelinas as well. Kovalchuk had a down year but the year before had 83 points. Plus we don't really need a defensemen of Markov's caliber, maybe for the PP only but not in 5 on 5 play. But ironically enough, Gelinas is probably our Markov for the PP just a lot younger.

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05-03-2013, 07:30 AM
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if you want Kovalchuk (you can't have him), it'd have to be for Subban AND Pacioretty for NJ to even consider giving up their only sniper. overpayment? sure. which is why it ain't happening. plus Markov is old.

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05-03-2013, 07:40 AM
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Not interested in this deal from a Habs perspective. Kovalchuk's is a great sniper, but that contract is just brutal going forward. Pacioretty has a beauty of a contract considering he's the Habs best forward.

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This would help the Habs in the long run, but I'm not sure they can afford to think that far ahead. Markov and Pacioretty are two very key players for the next couple of years. Obviously neither anywhere near as good as Kovalchuk. But still two key players and they won't easily replace Markov in the short term. I would pass from the Habs' POV. The team just isn't deep enough yet to go after these kinds of 2-for-1 deals. Maybe in a couple years they will be.

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05-03-2013, 07:47 AM
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We have Kovy locked up for 6.66M cap hit. I dont think he has a trade value tbh. We wouldnt entertain moving him for at least the better part of a decade


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yea, having an elite sniper locked up at that cap hit really sucks.

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Looks like a great trade

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if you want Kovalchuk (you can't have him), it'd have to be for Subban AND Pacioretty for NJ to even consider giving up their only sniper. overpayment? sure. which is why it ain't happening. plus Markov is old.
glad you would consider it at the point. habs say never

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yea, having an elite sniper locked up at that cap hit really sucks.
That's still a long time at that cap hit if he plays for the duration of the contract. He might hit 40 goals again, I'm not sure how long he'll be considered an elite sniper.

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if you want Kovalchuk (you can't have him), it'd have to be for Subban AND Pacioretty for NJ to even consider giving up their only sniper. overpayment? sure. which is why it ain't happening. plus Markov is old.
oh yeah markov is so old, he was tied for 2nd in goals for all dmen and 4th in points.

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you guys can get mad at me all you want

but if you're asking for Kovalchuk, the price is Subban and Pacioretty. sorry you don't like it.

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oh yeah markov is so old, he was tied for 2nd in goals for all dmen and 4th in points.
the number of goals and points he scored somehow changes the fact that hes 34?

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That's still a long time at that cap hit if he plays for the duration of the contract. He might hit 40 goals again, I'm not sure how long he'll be considered an elite sniper.
so you're tactic is to offer on a player, then seriously downplay how good he actually is?

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If NJ were looking to rebuild, it wouldn't be a terrible trade (though they could shop him around and see if better offers presented themselves). Montreal's pick will likely be in the ~20-25 range of a really good draft. Pacioretty is a good young piece. And Markov could just be traded to another team for a reasonably significant return of picks/prospects.

I don't know what NJ should do. Goaltending needs to be addressed. They don't have a particularly great prospect pool, and they have to give up their 1st in either this draft or next years. Considering there's a decent chance they'll be even worse next year, they have a tough choice to make. By the time they managed to get together a legitimate goaltender and improve their depth up front, guys like Elias/Zidlicky/Salvador/etc would probably be retiring, and then they'd need to find replacements for those guys.

I don't see a realistic way for them to become a legitimate playoff force / SC contender in the next 3-4 years, and then as mentioned above, more and more holes will develop on the roster due to the age of the team. They might be in need of a rebuild, especially if Clarkson leaves this summer and if they strike out on free agency.

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what are you basing the fact that we'll be worse than 22nd in the league on? do you expect Kovalchuk or Brodeur to miss a month+ again?

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what are you basing the fact that we'll be worse than 22nd in the league on? do you expect Kovalchuk or Brodeur to miss a month+ again?
-Brodeur almost retired a year ago, and will be 41 next season IF he plays next season. You don't think his days as a legitimate #1 goalie might be behind him? Especially over an 82 game season?
-There's a decent chance Clarkson leaves via free agency. Not to mention Zidlicky, Zubrus, etc are also UFAs
-Elias is 37 (and also a UFA, but I'd be surprised if he left), do you think it's likely he'll be putting up ~75 points again? It could happen, but it's fairly likely we'll see a decline compared to his historical level of play
-There aren't the prospects in place to replace or upgrade on the aging players/players who could leave in free agency.

So like I said, IF NJ strikes out on free agency, my expectation is that they will finish in a similar spot, potentially lower.

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-Brodeur almost retired a year ago, and will be 41 next season IF he plays next season. You don't think his days as a legitimate #1 goalie might be behind him? Especially over an 82 game season?
-There's a decent chance Clarkson leaves via free agency. Not to mention Zidlicky, Zubrus, etc are also UFAs
-Elias is 37 (and also a UFA, but I'd be surprised if he left), do you think it's likely he'll be putting up ~75 points again? It could happen, but it's fairly likely we'll see a decline compared to his historical level of play
-There aren't the prospects in place to replace or upgrade on the aging players/players who could leave in free agency.

So like I said, IF NJ strikes out on free agency, my expectation is that they will finish in a similar spot, potentially lower.
- absolutely his days as a #1 goalie are behind him. Brodeur has been average or below it the past few years. and we still nearly won the Cup last season. I am sure Lou will be in the market to acquire a younger goalie to play behind Marty. also, they have a few young guys that they are very high on in the minors.
- what are you basing Clarkson leaving on? he LOVES the organization, loves Lou, and him and Deboer have been close for many years. as much as I don't want to overpay him I still think he is a pretty good 3rd liner. Zidlicky stinks. Zubrus would be a loss, yes, but there are similar players in FA they could replace him with should he leave.
- Elias just finished top 10 in the league in scoring a year ago. this past season, he was on pace for 60+ points in an 82 game season, with basically no help. Elias' game is based upon his hockey smarts. its not like hes using his speed or anything to beat players. I still suspect him to be effective for a few more years, ala Selanne.

again, this past year, the Devils had essentially the same team that nearly won the cup last summer. obviously, minus Parise. but the rest of the roster was very much the same. However, they had injuries to Brodeur (Hedberg sucks) and Kovalchuk, as well as Zubrus. couple that with no shootout luck or really no puck luck, and you have the season we had. I think over an 82 game season it would have evened out and the Devils would have made the playoffs, but that doesnt matter at this point.

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If I'm the Habs I'd jump all over this.

I'm not sure how much longer Markov will be playing and a 1st round draft pick? I'm sorry but lolwhocares. It will be a late rounder anyway.

Even with Pacioretty it's not worth trading our elite sniper and one of our top defensive prospects. No deal from a Devils perspective.

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if you want Kovalchuk (you can't have him), it'd have to be for Subban AND Pacioretty for NJ to even consider giving up their only sniper. overpayment? sure. which is why it ain't happening. plus Markov is old.
I wouldnt do it for Subban alone...

But I agree the OP would never happen

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Of course you wouldn't do that, he was just saying Kovalchuk ain't go anywhere unless overpayment. Subban and Pacman just fits the description of one.

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yea, having an elite sniper locked up at that cap hit really sucks.
but is he an elite sniper anymore? for most of this season he looked like a pk specialist. i know injuries played a factor and i think with a full offseason's worth of rest he'll return to form to an extent, but still, i'm worried about his long-term future.

i think if his back heals up for good and the team around him doesn't suck as bad as they did this year, he can put up 30-40-70 numbers again, but i think his days of being an 80+ point player are over. he's worth his cap hit, but not his actual dollars amount anymore, imo, and i think that will prevent anyone for trading for him even if the devils were willing to trade him.

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