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05-03-2013, 01:31 AM
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I would say that belongs to Kopitar.

Kopitar is paid to dominate Games and make his wingers better.

Williams dragged Kopitar along all season. Brown as well.

Richards and Kopi both this year were lackluster at times.
The Kings best forwards all year were wingers, no question about it. Stoll was the Kings most consistent center this season, he played his role well and exceeded expectations.

Williams and especially Brown made Kopitar look better on the ice and on the scoresheet, same goes with Carter making Richards look better. I agree with you 100%

The problem is the Kings are built and have a system that revolves around strong and smart play from the centers. They didn't get much of that this year. The Kings started off horrible, then got hot largely because Carter was scoring an insane amount of goals, then the PP (and more importantly Drew Doughty) got going in the final 15-20 gmes and that was enough to get the Kings into the playoffs, the problem is, it's difficult to win playoff games when you can't score 5 on 5 and give up a lot of goals 5 on 5. And that is the spot the Kings are in right now.

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05-03-2013, 01:32 AM
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This YES.

I am just lost for words how Bad Kopitar has been with two AWESOME wingers on his line.

Williams/Brown have been monsters, and they are just dragging Kopitar kicking and screaming.
you're giving brown and williams way too much credit..... if they were so awesome they would be scoring despite kopitar being good or bad.

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05-03-2013, 01:34 AM
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you're giving brown and williams way too much credit..... if they were so awesome they would be scoring despite kopitar being good or bad.
You see Brown score tonight or just miss that ?

How about Williams game one ?

Brown was the Kings best forward tonight, Williams game one.

Williams was pretty damn good tonight too.

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a blow up would be pretty cool, im sick of seeing the same faces.
We might need to start cheering for the Flyers.

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Stoll was the Kings most consistent center this season, he played his role well and exceeded expectations.
Don't you mean Stool?

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The only top 6 that will be replaced next year will be 2LW. DL is not Holmgren. There's not going to be a blowup. No major pieces will be moved.

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Don't you mean Stool?
Nope. He played well enough to ditch that name.

Stoll was horrible for his first four seasons as a King, but I had no issues with his play this season. If he can repeat it next year than 3rd line center is a much much smaller issue for the 2014 Kings than 1st and 2nd line center could be.

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05-03-2013, 01:38 AM
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You see Brown score tonight or just miss that ?

How about Williams game one ?

Brown was the Kings best forward tonight, Williams game one.

Williams was pretty damn good tonight too.
yes brown/williams were awesome but they need to score 5v5 not on a 5v3 pp or where the goalie is pulled.

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There are a few things everyone needs to get in touch with here.

- Mike Richards is not getting traded nor should he. He means a lot more to this team than points (which he provides) and the ability to up his game when it matters (which he does). Stop.

- This is the series everyone expected to see last season. These teams are about as evenly matched as you get. We haven't gotten the bounces, STL has been a bit hungrier, and a bad gaffe in game one arguably COMPLETELY changed the course of this series.

- The biggest thing we had going for us this series was some kind of mental voodoo we had over the Blues. That's gone now. We're seeing the Blues at their absolute best and they're arguably just flat out better than us this year.

- It's shocking, SHOCKING, that we even made the playoffs with this limp dick corps of defenseman. Voynov had a hot February, Muzzin had a hot March, Ellerby was a typical dumpster diving Dean move to fill a hole, Regehr the same, and Scuderi is getting old. The only blueliner we have worth his salt right now is Doughty and that's been the case, over the long run, all season long. I will say this once and very clearly: Mitchell was a SPECIAL defenseman and there's a reason he touched the Cup second. Regehr on his best day, in his prime, is no Mitchell. That's plain to see and ****ing heartbreaking because I would have really loved to see what this team could have done, intact. STL's defense is alarmingly better than ours. Doughty has been the best player on the point in this series by a fair margin, but through and through, Doughty to Ellerby, Pietrangelo to Polak, St. Louis takes this by a country ****ing mile.

- This series is a formality at this point. You can call me a Duck fan, or tell me to go away, or whatever the hell else you choose, but this series is done. 0-2 is not insurmountable - you're right. But I don't see a 0-2 series. I see a team that has yet to score an even strength goal, a team with a revolving door of left wing fillers throughout its top six, a team with two rookies comprising an entire defensive pairing, a team that resorted to gooning it up in the first to gain an edge, and a team that has now, officially, gone 0-5-3 in its last 8 road games.

Say I'm a pessimist, say I'm a crappy fan, but I call it like I see it. The Kings have had no business playing in this series thus far. Show me a way in which that could conceivably change and I'll have some hope. Until then, night night.

And that's not a terrible thing, either. This team has its core and we have our Cup. A first round exit will accomplish just as much as the last three teams before us to win it all. I'm okay with that. It gives management a good cause to step back and honestly look at our lineup without championship tinted sunglasses. Is King a NHL player? Should Carter be a winger? Is Voynov a true number two behind Doughty? What do we move Bernier for? Etc. etc.

This team will be stronger and better next year and that's a good thing. Look at the Hawks. They won a championship, lost half of their team, went through some growing pains, and boom, President's trophy. Is our core any worse than the Hawks? I submit that, no, it is not.

I'm all for the boys winning a couple at home and getting my hopes up, but I just don't see that happening, not the way the series has gone so far. It is what it is.

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05-03-2013, 01:42 AM
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yes brown/williams were awesome but they need to score 5v5 not on a 5v3 pp or where the goalie is pulled.
You mean Kopitar needs to ? He is the highest paid player in the team.

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I don't care if it's Fraser that scores. Someone put some more goals up, please.

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The Kings had 23 shots through two periods tonight. In the 3rd, they were limited to 6 shots. That should explain why this team was only able to muster one goal for a second consecutive game. Right now, they don't have that aggressive "crash the net" mentality nor are they getting any good looks on net. They're only getting a handful of scoring chances, and if your scoring chances are limited to that many, you aren't going to win many games.

It's that simple.

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05-03-2013, 01:52 AM
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I know Kopi bashing is in right now, but does anyone really believe he just sucks? I really believe he's nursing one hell of an injury.

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05-03-2013, 01:53 AM
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The Kings best forwards all year were wingers, no question about it. Stoll was the Kings most consistent center this season, he played his role well and exceeded expectations.

Williams and especially Brown made Kopitar look better on the ice and on the scoresheet, same goes with Carter making Richards look better. I agree with you 100%

The problem is the Kings are built and have a system that revolves around strong and smart play from the centers. They didn't get much of that this year. The Kings started off horrible, then got hot largely because Carter was scoring an insane amount of goals, then the PP (and more importantly Drew Doughty) got going in the final 15-20 gmes and that was enough to get the Kings into the playoffs, the problem is, it's difficult to win playoff games when you can't score 5 on 5 and give up a lot of goals 5 on 5. And that is the spot the Kings are in right now.

Worst part is that our top 2 centers aren't shooters so when they aren't making passes they aren't doing anything. I honestly think Richards is a really good player. But I think we have a center In carter. We just really need a top 3/6 Left winger. Richards should be expendable. If we want to get that game breaking left winger who can be a prolific goal scorer on the first/2nd line then Richards should go. Richards stats have been mostly Carter scoring those goals. Watch him play, he doesn't do much offensively.

Also, one of the things I have ALWAYS wanted Kopitar to be is that center who can shoot and score goals while being a play maker. It sucks seeing a guy with so much potential playing passer. It's such a let down.

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To think we were all worried about Quick, wow did that guy show up BIG TIME.

Who know the entire top six minus some wingers would do a no show.

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I know Kopi bashing is in right now, but does anyone really believe he just sucks? I really believe he's nursing one hell of an injury.
Honestly, its been pretty much the same Kopi this whole season. I think the cup win made him disinterested this season.

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Worst part is that our top 2 centers aren't shooters so when they aren't making passes they aren't doing anything. I honestly think Richards is a really good player. But I think we have a center In carter. We just really need a top 3/6 Left winger. Richards should be expendable. If we want to get that game breaking left winger who can be a prolific goal scorer on the first/2nd line then Richards should go. Richards stats have been mostly Carter scoring those goals. Watch him play, he doesn't do much offensively.
Richards has only assisted on like 18 of Carter's Goals in his entire Career.

So that is not true.

Richards has over 390 points and almost 100 points as a King.

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I know Kopi bashing is in right now, but does anyone really believe he just sucks? I really believe he's nursing one hell of an injury.
I think it's a combination of the injury from the start of the season and exhaustion. Think about it. After winning the Cup, he had a long break, then played with Mora over in Sweden, suffered an injury right as the lockout ended, came back in and after missing the first game, has appeared in every game.

In total, with the games played in Sweden, Kopitar has appeared in 80 games (including the two playoff games). That's a hell of a lot more games than many others have appeared in this season. It's a lame excuse, but I truly do believe by the way he's playing that he's physically beat and his gas is running on empty.

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Richards has only assisted on like 18 of Carter's Goals in his entire Career.

So that is not true.
How many has he assisted this season?

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How many has he assisted this season?
About 14 if I am correct. If you listened to the broadcast a few weeks ago Bob and Fox were floored, that Richards and Carter have never really played on the same line till the Kings.

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And seriously, I said it earlier this season and got flack for it, but Muzzin is Joe Corvo part doo.
He is still learning the game...


Glad I didnt waste any time watching the game. You just knew they would lose again after that 1st game. From the sounds of it, it was better though. Who knows what they can pull off in the next two home games.

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The Kings best forwards all year were wingers, no question about it. Stoll was the Kings most consistent center this season, he played his role well and exceeded expectations.

Williams and especially Brown made Kopitar look better on the ice and on the scoresheet, same goes with Carter making Richards look better. I agree with you 100%

The problem is the Kings are built and have a system that revolves around strong and smart play from the centers. They didn't get much of that this year. The Kings started off horrible, then got hot largely because Carter was scoring an insane amount of goals, then the PP (and more importantly Drew Doughty) got going in the final 15-20 gmes and that was enough to get the Kings into the playoffs, the problem is, it's difficult to win playoff games when you can't score 5 on 5 and give up a lot of goals 5 on 5. And that is the spot the Kings are in right now.
They were in both games they lost each game in o.t. And the first game was a bonehead play by Quick. Yes they are not scoring but they are not giving up a lot of goals.
I swear every time we lose people come on these boards and talk about lack of this and lack of that. Well lets give the Blues a little credit. Last year the Blues were thin on the back line and with Boumeester and Leopold they have solidified the back line. We have Mitchell and Greene out and have holes at 4,5,6 D. Kopitar is due for a streak and one goal could set him off. Kings are not out of this they can still come back. Let's have a little faith instead of being so negative after each loss.

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About 14 if I am correct. If you listened to the broadcast a few weeks ago Bob and Fox were floored, that Richards and Carter have never really played on the same line till the Kings.
Subtract 14 points that leaves leave richards with 18 points. 12 goals 6 assists. If carter was an average second liner, lets add about 6 points to that.

That's not impressive for how much salary they spend on him. Its not really hard to get points off a player like Carter. Agree to disagree.

I just think a great leftwinger over Richards is a good trade. We need that more than a center.

Just like Kopitars been getting useless points because Brown And Williams have been scoring.

Kopitar will be better next year, but I think we should trade richards while he has value.

As Herby quoted, sell a year early than a year late.

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There are a few things everyone needs to get in touch with here.

- Mike Richards is not getting traded nor should he. He means a lot more to this team than points (which he provides) and the ability to up his game when it matters (which he does). Stop.

- This is the series everyone expected to see last season. These teams are about as evenly matched as you get. We haven't gotten the bounces, STL has been a bit hungrier, and a bad gaffe in ogame one arguably COMPLETELY changed the course of this series.

- The biggest thing we had going for us this series was some kind of mental voodoo we had over the Blues. That's gone now. We're seeing the Blues at their absolute best and they're arguably just flat out better than us this year.

- It's shocking, SHOCKING, that we even made the playoffs with this limp dick corps of defenseman. Voynov had a hot February, Muzzin had a hot March, Ellerby was a typical dumpster diving Dean move to fill a hole, Regehr the same, and Scuderi is getting old. The only blueliner we have worth his salt right now is Doughty and that's been the case, over the long run, all season long. I will say this once and very clearly: Mitchell was a SPECIAL defenseman and there's a reason he touched the Cup second. Regehr on his best day, in his prime, is no Mitchell. That's plain to see and ****ing heartbreaking because I would have really loved to see what this team could have done, intact. STL's defense is alarmingly better than ours. Doughty has been the best player on the point in this series by a fair margin, but through and through, Doughty to Ellerby, Pietrangelo to Polak, St. Louis takes this by a country ****ing mile.

- This series is a formality at this point. You can call me a Duck fan, or tell me to go away, or whatever the hell else you choose, but this series is done. 0-2 is not insurmountable - you're right. But I don't see a 0-2 series. I see a team that has yet to score an even strength goal, a team with a revolving door of left wing fillers throughout its top six, a team with two rookies comprising an entire defensive pairing, a team that resorted to gooning it up in the first to gain an edge, and a team that has now, officially, gone 0-5-3 in its last 8 road games.

Say I'm a pessimist, say I'm a crappy fan, but I call it like I see it. The Kings have had no business playing in this series thus far. Show me a way in which that could conceivably change and I'll have some hope. Until then, night night.

And that's not a terrible thing, either. This team has its core and we have our Cup. A first round exit will accomplish just as much as the last three teams before us to win it all. I'm okay with that. It gives management a good cause to step back and honestly look at our lineup without championship tinted sunglasses. Is King a NHL player? Should Carter be a winger? Is Voynov a true number two behind Doughty? What do we move Bernier for? Etc. etc.

This team will be stronger and better next year and that's a good thing. Look at the Hawks. They won a championship, lost half of their team, went through some growing pains, and boom, President's trophy. Is our core any worse than the Hawks? I submit that, no, it is not.

I'm all for the boys winning a couple at home and getting my hopes up, but I just don't see that happening, not the way the series has gone so far. It is what it is.
I agree with you except for the fact the Kings will prevail in this series in 6. If and when the Kings face Chicago is when the season will end.

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you're giving brown and williams way too much credit..... if they were so awesome they would be scoring despite kopitar being good or bad.
Brown was on pace to have 30 goals if it had been an 82-game schedule.

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