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05-16-2013, 04:29 PM
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Does next season's new divisions mean Canucks not in Playoffs?

What are the chances of this occurring?

If it does happen, would the Sedins get traded (as a package) at the deadline?

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05-16-2013, 04:37 PM
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No.

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I think they are fine.
I don't see them being worse than Edm, Cal and Pho.
Plus with the crossover option they have to be better than 4 teams in 'central'. I can see them being better than Col, Nsh, Min and Wpg still.
They will struggle to win the division but I think they will be in the playoffs.

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I say somewhere between 6-8 in the West if major changes aren't conducted.

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I think they are fine.
I don't see them being worse than Edm, Cal and Pho.
Plus with the crossover option they have to be better than 4 teams in 'central'. I can see them being better than Col, Nsh, Min and Wpg still.
They will struggle to win the division but I think they will be in the playoffs.
I see them dropping off, especially since one of Lu or Schnieder will not be there. The goalies did steal a lot of points for them this season. Although, with a healthy Kesler, that should balance out okay.

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Commenting now before the coaching change and the 'reset' on roster is foolish.

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Unless things change drastically they are going be be one of the lower playoff seeds for sure

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I think we probably make it then flame out in round 1 again. Unless we do something drastic.

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Too many questions to know for sure right now. Coach? Roster holes? Who is the goalie and what's the return? Free agency is also a big question. Because of the buyouts, some good players might become available to us for cheap.

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I see them dropping off, especially since one of Lu or Schnieder will not be there. The goalies did steal a lot of points for them this season. Although, with a healthy Kesler, that should balance out okay.
I see them dropping in points too which is why I said they would be challenged to win the division.

However the loss of a goalie should mean improvements elsewhere in the lineup.

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Well LA-SJ right now look to be 1-2 in the division then Anaheim and us (Anaheim is more than likely losing some of its depth in Selanne & Koivu) fighting it out for 3/4 then EDM/PHO closing in on the the final spot with either us or Anaheim. and Calgary sitting on the outside looking to sign some sort of RFA so then can lose their chance at 1st overall:p

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Changes coming... Don't know how we can prognosticate the playoff positioning without seeing all the changes.

If it were today's teams, we are still in.

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They will be in tough...

But as it stands right now... the Canucks hold up very well in regular season play, and over 82, they should still be in.

The division: Van, LA, Ana, SJ, Pho, Edm, Cal.

The top teams this yr - LA, Ana, SJ...

Next yr?:
SJ has their core locked up - may be losing their depth... Thornton, Marleau, Havlat, Boyle would all be another yr past their prime, no significant cap space to speak of. What you see is what you will get from them in the regular season next yr as well.

LA also has their core locked up. But have a lot of pending RFA's that need to be re-upped... and that should bite into their cap. They have a great offseason chip to play however that should allow them to improve unless its for futures - Jonathan Bernier.

Ana - Seem to be in significant uncertainty when it comes to what their D will look like and their depth upfront. One word right now is Young. Can't see Selanne coming back. Got the twin $8+ mil kicking in. I don't see them repeating their early season dominance.

Of the rest - Pho likely not a contender for a playoff spot without Smith.
We'll see what McTavish can do to supplement his team, i don't think it will realistically jump from a 74-76 pt team to a 95 pt team unless it is something very significant .. i.e. more than a rookie or 2.


So the Vancouver Canucks a non-playoff team in 2013-14? I don't think so.

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What are the chances of this occurring?

If it does happen, would the Sedins get traded (as a package) at the deadline?
If we have the same team/core as this year it wouldn't surprise me if we miss. Although that will also depend on what other teams do in the off season of course, but we won't be division winners and we aren't a lock for the playoffs.

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If we have the same team/core as this year it wouldn't surprise me if we miss. Although that will also depend on what other teams do in the off season of course, but we won't be division winners and we aren't a lock for the playoffs.
As disappointing as this team was in the playoffs and just not good enough to compete with the elite... it is still a core capable of a lot of regular season wins. No way this team as is should come close to missing.

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As disappointing as this team was in the playoffs and just not good enough to compete with the elite... it is still a core capable of a lot of regular season wins. No way this team as is should come close to missing.
You should be right, but I'm very down on this team right now. If we make it, it'll be as the 7 or 8 seed.

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05-16-2013, 05:25 PM
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You should be right, but I'm very down on this team right now. If we make it, it'll be as the 7 or 8 seed.
Yeah, i understand.

All you have to do is look at how we sleep walked the first 12 games with a 8-2-2 record... basically without a PK or a PP outside of playing Ana.

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im already reminded of the 'must win' against minnesota this year. cant believe we lost that

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Since this is a crystal ball thread, I'll jump in. Based on past performance, I think Gillis will make some major blunders this offseason. I suspect he will add players that are useless to the coach and trade away an important asset or two.

If you take away Edler and Hansen (examples, only) and add a new coach and new scheme, do the Canucks make the playoffs in this new division? Three of the teams like to thump Vancouver. Will that be effective? How heated will the season series be? I suspect Canucks will be softer next season and the California teams will be dominant. Fortunately, I seem to recall the schedule will feature home and aways with every team? That will make the division rivals less of an issue.

Canucks might do the unthinkable and improve during an off-season. Switch out Burrows for Iginla (or Jagr) and how do things look? I doubt Gillis will do anything risky, though. Either way, the Canucks should remain in playoff contention, barring unforseen circumstances.

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8 if 14 teams make the playoffs, Canucks will likely be outside the top 4, probably 6th but still make it.

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The teams that are ranked ahead of us are considered so in the playoff sense. If there's one thing I'm confident this team can do, it's make the playoffs. We are a regular season team at the very least, so let's not wallow in pity and state that we aren't going to make the playoffs.

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05-16-2013, 07:59 PM
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They'll be fighting for a wild card spot

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Commenting now before the coaching change and the 'reset' on roster is foolish.
Good point, but with all of the constraints on the current players, there's probably not a lot that's going to get done.

And if a "bold move" or two are made, such as trading Burrows and/or Edler, the reality is that we'll probably be getting younger, not necessarily better.

In other words, and at this point, there should be serious concern about this team making the playoffs next year.

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The Canucks would have finished 2nd if the division was in place this year, and that is with the current 'broken' roster. I think they can win the division next year, but I'll reserve judgement until October when there's a better idea of what we'll have on the roster.

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The Canucks would have finished 2nd if the division was in place this year, and that is with the current 'broken' roster. I think they can win the division next year, but I'll reserve judgement until October when there's a better idea of what we'll have on the roster.
And the one team that finished ahead of them was living off of a hot start and probably would've dropped down the standings in a full season. The Ducks had a fantastic start but went 8-9-2 to end the season with a -7 goal differential in that span.

I wouldn't necessarily pick the Canucks to win the division next year but I think people are overreacting to the new alignment. If the Canucks miss the playoffs next year it'll because they play like crap and not because of their competition.

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